#113

:grinning: you’re a proper cunt, eh?

#115

I had an accident a couple of years ago on which I misjudged a corner (sun was very bright), and being inexperienced, I didn’t slow down to an appropriate speed. I flipped over a couple of times. Luckily another car wasn’t involved, but it could have very easily been the case and someone could have been seriously hurt or killed.

Should I be eliminated from society?

I learned and became a better driver. And if another car has been involved maybe I would have faced some kind of prosecution idk. But prison?

Most everyone will have had some kind of moment where they have accidentally done something that could have seriously harmed someone.

Ffs, why am I still responding. Will stop.

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#117

I meant sensationalist stories like GRANPA KILLS IN HIS DEATHMOBILE

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#118

or is physically/mentally/financially able to walk/get the bus/the train/cab.

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#119

I’m not responding anymore but it’s always fun when someone completely shows themselves up on here isn’t it.

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#120

I did google that and found this;

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#121

I completely agree. I just picked a single point because I didn’t feel like spending my time writing a long reply to something I felt to be disingenuous.

We are addicted to cars. We live in a world where it is increasingly difficult to live without them. To some they are a luxury, to some a convenience, to many they are essential.

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#122

Alright, Taylor Swift.

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#124

here you go, this is what you’re after isn’t it?

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#125

Car ownership is selfish isn’t it?

Same sort of level as eating meat, going on city breaks, buying sweat shop clothes and all that sort of stuff most of us do every day.

Selfish doesn’t necessarily mean unforgivably heinous.

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#127

living in rural areas is selfish though, as it isn’t very cost or carbon efficient.

#128

I was beaten to it tbh

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#131

not trolling, i just don’t see what the distinction is here? At least, a prison should be a high security residential centre. There should be work, education, health and social care provision, frequent familial visitation etc. I appreciate that in many ways our prison system has ended up a long way from that, but there’s still a case for prisons/secure facilities for criminals who are a risk to others or themselves.

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#132

Just abandoned a similar reply as you have beaten me to it. I don’t think anyone in this thread would defend the prison system as it stands, and it is clearly in need of major overhaul, if not rebuilding from the ground up.

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#134

Is there a prison abolition thread? If not shall I start one? It’s something that I’ve been becoming more aware of lately and I would be interested in where to find more resources about it.

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#136

Thank you - I follow a few people on twitter too (prisonculture being one that springs to mind), but as you say a lot is US centric (I guess they have a different / larger issue than over here).

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#139

Unfortunately I don’t think ‘most people’ would.

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#141

this is like when people say those who use drugs are bad people because they should know better and it’s good to punish them with prison sentences.

Like surely as long as cars are efficient and easy and useful as a mode of transport, people are going to use them, punishing people for a systemic issue with society doesn’t fix anything or help anyone. How many less people are going to drive, dangerously or otherwise because somebody went to prison?

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#142

not sure how it could even be a deterrent if it’s accidental like this

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#147

I think you’ve got a lot more faith in right wing attitudes towards evidence-based policy than I do.

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