#23

That footage of him in the office was so horrible.

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#24

Watched this last night. As mentioned above already - a very harrowing watch :pensive:

Can somebody clarify though - in the first documentary, was there already a feeling / rumour that Saville was a paedophile? Like was the onus on Theroux then to try and expose that? I don’t really know enough of the backstory here and have never seen the original doc.

It seemed odd to me that Theroux was placing a bit of blame on himself for not noticing it, but was there something already known where he should have been looking for signs of Saville being a sex offender, rather than him being just plain weird?

#25

There were rumours for years and years and years about him

#26

Right, ok. That makes a bit more sense then.

#27

Sadowitz on Saville in 1988

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#28

Maybe in some circles but when I watched the original (when it came out) I did not know about them.

#29

He did kind of address the rumours in the original one though right?

#31

Well it was 15 years ago so I don’t know for sure but I don’t remember that. I really remembered that weird shit about beating people up, lots on the Duchess and something really funny with Saville getting on a cruise ship at the end. Can’t remember what that was and it probably isn’t funny anymore.

#32

I don’t know if it was rumours that he was a full-blown child rapist, just that he was a strange man who acted oddly around young women. The kind of stuff that was obviously horribly commonplace in showbiz in the 1970s (and beyond no doubt), but his actions went well beyond that.

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#34

oooh you’re hard

#35

This is an interesting watch, where Hislop talks about the difference between hearing rumours and knowing something was really wrong:

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#36

I think in bbc and probably media in general the rumours were well known. My old boss’s wife has worked in bbc for years, one of the rumours was that he was procuring young boys for an old prime minister and hence could get away with it.

#37

Louis asks Savile why he told the press that he ‘hates children.’

Savile said something along the lines of it helps to stop the rumours.

Louis was like ‘err doesn’t that make it sound like you have something to hide?’

Savile dismisses it and starts yawning/singing to himself to stop the conversation.

I think that was the only time in the original doc that it came up.

#38

I watched the original on Sunday before the new one aired and he says something along the lines of ‘how do they (the press) know if I am (a paedo) or not? I know I’m not’. Pretty horrible.

#39

Was there a funny bit on a cruise ship at the end?

#40

That’s one of those lines I wonder about a bit. Is he straight up just lying or does he actually believe it in some way himself or does he think he charity or something more than compensates for the peado thing. Where did you watch the original?

#41

About a third of the way in Lonz. He shows off to Louis about having a penthouse cabin and that there’s only 2 and he pities the other person with the penthouse as it’s not as nice as his. Then the captain and a few crew turn up and Louis asks them about Jimmy’s penthouse only for the captain to say ‘there aren’t any penthouses on this floor, they’re about 4 floors up’.

#42

Remember the brass eye (possibly day today) sketch about Saville dying and the only thing that people were sorry about was that he didn’t suffer more? That was a response to the rumours too surely, wasn’t it?

#43

Oh yes, that was it.

#44

Streamed it off the interwebs fopps. Do we know if he ever stopped being a paedo? Maybe in his head if he hadn’t been ‘practising’ (for want of a better word) he didn’t think of himself as a paedo anymore? Who knows man!