From the postie this morning.

None as useful as the Dominos menu that came with them.

yeah we got the Family party one. jesus christ, bunch of gobshites.

i noticed on my lovely voting for, which has already been posted, the alba party was missing a logo, lol

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well I’m guessing (for lack of any public discussion on it as far as I have seen) that the process would be;

  • Yes vote
  • [cans]
  • period of negotiation between UK and Scottish governments
  • Westminster and Holyrood to ratify the agreement

If they can’t get an agreement that both parliaments will ratify*, then I guess independence doesn’t happen? Or we get some kind of “no deal” independence and/or war, idk. In that sense, the UK govt holds pretty much all the cards in the same sense the EU did during Brexit. Obviously they’d have to toe some sort of line around negotiating in good faith to honour the result of the vote, but honestly, let’s not hold our breath on that one.

*if the UK parliament is allowed a say on it by the government that is

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absolute state of these c**ts. convinced they’re an offshoot/subsidiary of the tories designed to make the tories look less poisonous. :slight_smile:

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Ah, I see what your saying.

I think after the Yes vote and [cans] (:grinning:) stages, we’re into uncharted territory where Westminster has lost the moral high ground or any meaningful legal default position it would take/is taking right up until the point where a Yes vote becomes reality. Agreed that, for sure, there’d be surface level good faith vs underlying stuff for [period of time] after that, but I can’t see stasis as a viable default post-Yes.

I wouldn’t rule out the EU playing a major role as a counter-weight to any Westminster resistance (fast-tracked provisional membership - something like that?). Which would differ from the Brexit negotiations (where what Holyrood wanted could be easily ignored).

I’m attaching around for a better phrase than there being plenty of satisfactory ‘landing zones’ that aren’t yet visible, but will certainly become sharply apparent before too long. And I concede that is easily spun as a ‘jump into the unknown’. But after somehow careering through (the basic initial negotiations for) Brexit (albeit somewhat worse for wear), there’s a rubicon that’s been crossed in terms of us jumping and surviving - so that particular barb has somewhat lost its point.

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There’s a Mod party?

We don’t get all these wacky variants in sunny Stenhousemuir (thankfully?)

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had the local independent knock on my door the other day. ended up telling me I should vote Labour.

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Superb.

Did anyone watch the Channel 4 debate? It was really bad termpered, and KGM was better at getting back to the questions that weren’t getting answered.

But frankly, they’ll be getting tired of fucking answering the shame shit over and over again. they should just have a debate for two hours, once, and simulcast on all the channels

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Yeah. Did. Thought KGM skewered Ross repeatedly (fish in a barrel, though), had obvious heavy disdain for Sarwar’s fence-sitting, and allowed Harvie a surprising amount of opportunity to deliver set-pieces on more than one occasion.

Also, Rennie seems to have a real nasty vibe that shows through when he’s on the back foot.

KGM’s put your hands up if you think you’re going to be the next FM bit wasn’t especially new or insightful, but his follow-up taunts were way more brutal (and hilarious) than expected.

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Agree on this.

Again, Anas was actually quite good? Yeah I like him. His opposition to the IndyRef2 is such a strange position.

Harvie was exceptional. Genuinely impresssive and inspiring when talking about the constitution and what country Scotland should be. And his point about reocvery/Indy being a false question is strong and clean and correct.

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Yeah, both Harvie and Slater are knocking it out of the park in terms of describing a vision and setting a direction. Easier to do from the situation that the Scot Greens are in than from a more high profile position, sure, but there seems to be a real breadth of credibility to back up the top line positions.

Sarwar has a decent enough tone about him. He’s an improvement for Scot Lab in terms of presentation compared to recent leaders (and most of the rest of his colleagues). But I’m not seeing much more depth beyond what Ross has. He seems really unwilling to offer a legible logic to the whole independence thing (and there’s a reason for that… it’s completely indefensible! :grinning:).

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haven’t watched any leadership/election debate in years, it’s like watching question time, find them fucking pointless. think the last debates i watched were the scottish indy debates.

Pal of mine is spending 6.30am to 10.30pm at the polling place this thursday for £200, and it sounds like a nightmare; can’t leave, no food provided. anyone else doing it?

Very much nothing to report on Scottish leaders debate on the beeb tonight.

Sturgeon dealt with pretty much everything with ease and she turned Ross’ claim that she would hold an illegal referendum on him pretty smartly. If the next referendum happens in like 2024 or whatever then currency is going to remain a difficult issue though as is the border with England; the latter is very much like your toddler shitting themselves after being told to go to the potty and them then claiming you made them do it.

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Who for? Not a party, surely. Some sort of exit poll?

no, as one of the polling bods doing the register and that

Ah, got ya. Servant of the people.

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Campbell’s not a great host.

Did a dorky ‘still got energy’ shuffle thing at the start. Followed by an over-egged pleading for them not to talk over each other. I said then that he has the vibe of a stand-in teacher.

Started watching late, but from the start, then when I paused it it crashed the TVs app. So I didn’t get to see this.

Hands up, class. And Sturgeon clearly enjoying teasing him on it.