#495

Fuck yes.

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#496

All eyes on my constituency now

#497

what are you? eastwood?

#498

Aye m8, shaft carlaw

#499

carlaw’s such a twat

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#500

No.idea what this List Seat thing is, and how it means you can lose seats, even if you win.

#501

Someone can probably explain this better, but the regional list allocates MSPs to parties based on their share of the vote, after taking into account the constituency MSPs.

So if the SNP have won loads of constituency MSPs, then they find it harder to get more from the regional list (even if they win that list), because they’ve already filled up most of their share from the constituency votes.

Whereas if Labour (for the sake of example) finish second in every constituency, then they’ve got no MSPs despite getting a lot of votes - they’ll find it easier to be allocated MSPs from the regional list.

It basically exists to balance it out a bit and make each party’s share of MSPs closer to their share of the vote.

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#502

fucked it

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#503

just watching this on a loop

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#504

2,200 votes short

and 75 of your neighbours voted for UKIP lol. you need to have a word with them m9

#505

Thanks for the explanation!

#506

Tnh that’s absolutely not surprising considering the scum who live in Whitecraigs

#507

Not sure if it’s true that Greg Energy Adviser put his occupation in the wrong box, but he got 3x the vote of the fascist anyway, fair play.

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#508

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#509

Wait

If the tories or labour’s drop their votes super low to get Labour or tories in on the constituency, does that affect their list

#510

Number of votes for constituency MSPs is not part of the regional list MSP calculation.

The calculation is based on the number of constituency MSPs elected.

The list vote is divided by number of MSPs in that region + 1.

So if SNP get all 9 Glasgow region constituency MSPs, their list vote will be divided by 10. And that’ll be pitted against whatever the other parties get without those parties’ votes being subject to a divider.

Alternatively… if Labour say, get a constituency MSP in the Glasgow region, then their list vote will be divided by 2 (i.e. 1+1, instead of 0+1). SNP will be divided by 9 instead of (i.e. 8+1, instead of 9+1).

Which might make a difference, it might not.

With the way things are in 2021 tactical unionist voting is somewhat easier in the constituencies. But tactical independence voting is somewhat easier on the list. But tactical voting can backfire in both instances. Especially on the list, because you vote on it without knowing what’s happened in the constituency votes.

Ultimately, at the end of it all, the maths of it tends to give a roughly proportional fair share.

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#511

Interestingly, from this

In the run up to the 2007 Scottish election, the Labour party had considered not fielding list candidates in the Glasgow, West of Scotland, and Central Scotland regions,[ citation needed ] as their constituency strength in the previous two elections had resulted in no list MSPs; instead they proposed to support a list composed of Co-operative Party candidates.[ citation needed ] Before this the Co-operative party had chosen not to field candidates of its own but merely to endorse particular Labour candidates. However the Electoral Commission ruled that as membership of the Co-operative party is dependent on membership of the Labour party they could not be considered distinct legal entities.

So the Alba party, or tactical Green list voting isn’t a new (or independence-centric) thing.

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#512

I was wondering after the Alba thing whether the same principle could be applied more effectively in theory. I presume the electoral commission would find a way of not allowing it to happen though even if there was a less obvious contravention than the Lab/Co-op thing.
What would happen if the SNP just didn’t field any list candidates though, presumably there’d be quite a few more greens elected, and wahey SUPERMADGE

#513

I guess, ultimately, party allegiances are generally strong, and inclination to vote tactically is generally weak. So in circumstances outwith the current constitutional fandango (and the quirk of SNP, Lab and Con vote shares being what they are), in a reasonably proportional system, there ought to be little to no incentive to vote tactically.

Seems as though it does happen, though. Decoy lists being the term, apparently. Not unknown for two parties to stand solely on constituency or list, and then merge after the election.

I think the naked opportunism of attempting to game the system from an already strong position would mean the SNP going list-only would weaken their constituency position and thus be counter-productive.

#514

yeah and also, i think they’d prefer to have a small working majority with a small number of green MSPs than a big majority with a big number of green MSPs