#2383

that is objectively not true though:

1. “Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness” (Instrumental) 2:52
2. “Tonight, Tonight” 4:14
3. “Jellybelly” 3:01
4. “Zero” 2:41
5. “Here Is No Why” 3:45
6. “Bullet with Butterfly Wings” 4:18
7. “To Forgive” 4:17
8. “Fuck You (An Ode to No One)” (Listed as “An Ode to No One” on the original packaging) 4:51
9. “Love” 4:21
10. “Cupid de Locke” 2:50
11. “Galapogos” 4:47
12. “Muzzle” 3:44
13. “Porcelina of the Vast Oceans” 9:21
14. “Take Me Down”
1. “Where Boys Fear to Tread” 4:22
2. “Bodies” 4:12
3. “Thirty-Three” 4:10
4. “In the Arms of Sleep” 4:12
5. “1979” 4:25
6. “Tales of a Scorched Earth” 3:46
7. “Thru the Eyes of Ruby” 7:38
8. “Stumbleine” 2:54
9. “X.Y.U.” 7:07
10. “We Only Come Out at Night” 4:05
11. “Beautiful” 4:18
12. “Lily (My One and Only)” 3:31
13. “By Starlight” 4:48
14. “Farewell and Goodnight” 4:22

reckon the first track that could legitimately be considered boring, though not by me, is track 9

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#2384
No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. “Oooo I can make nice tables” TTF 4:22
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#2385

from this list:

3,7,8,9,10,12,14

don’t remember most of the second disc but all of the heavy ones are definitely boring

#2386

7 is arguably their best song

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#2387

“I forget to forget nothing is important” I hate that lyric so much

#2388

how come, I think it is quite a nice lyric about forgetting a bad past, really like the “I sensed my loss before I even learned to talk” bit too

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#2389

I just feel like “forget to forget” is kind of an empty lyric that is trying too hard to be clever and doesn’t mean anything. Who knows where these instinctual reactions to lyrics come from eh?

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#2390

sometimes words just sound nice, having said that I always thought ‘forget to forget’ is a good way of someone expressing they are struggling with something they have tried to forget

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#2391

Bodies!!!

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#2392

Think the first 5 songs of disc 2 are very good, but it wobbles a bit after that.

#2393

I guess I just think unless someone’s playing a solo, guitars sound shit on smashing pumpkins tracks

#2394

There’s a neat lead guitar line that follows the vocal melody?

#2395

Is there a Pumpkins song you wouldn’t say this about?

Jellybelly is the first one you could call boring and Stumbleine is the last one you could call great.

Think the best thing about this album is the mix of heavy ones and dreamy ones and poppy ones and stupid ones means that there are some good heavy ones.

Everything before this apart from Today and Spaceboy is shit.

#2396

I don’t really understand they question, I have always rated ‘to forgive’ very highly, it is probably the most personal song on the album for Corgs. Jellybelly is objectively not a boring song, can understand someone not being into it, but it is not boring

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#2397

by starlight is great, so is farewell and goodnight “the sun shines but I don’t.”

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#2398

This thread is going to be the death of me. If we’re really going to be raising critical standards to the point where Mellon Collie is considered boring and in need of trimming, then there isn’t one album from the past 20 years that gets to have more than two songs.

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#2399

Drowning pool > smashing pumpkins

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#2400

And this discussion is a prime example of how Corgan’s work is held to a certain standard that other artists don’t have to meet.

#2401

Ha ha! Genuinely can’t think of a single album since The Freewheelin’ that couldn’t be trimmed.

Melon Collie is up there with Daydream Nation and 69 Love Songs in that the overall quality and undoubted highs justify the extended running time. Doesn’t mean there’s no shit in there!

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#2402

Ok here it goes, Mellon Collie ranked:

Title Category
Muzzle transcendent
We only come out at night transcendent
Bodies transcendent
To forgive transcendent
1979 transcendent
Stumbleine transcendent
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness transcendent
Thru the Eyes of Ruby phenomenal
Porcelina of the Vast Oceans phenomenal
Here Is No Why phenomenal
Galapogos phenomenal
By Starlight phenomenal
Tonight Tonight phenomenal
Farewell and Goodnight phenomenal
In the Arms of Sleep outstanding
Bullet with butterfly wings outstanding
Beautiful outstanding
Jellybelly outstanding
Lily my one and only outstanding
Zero outstanding
Where Boys Fear to Tread outstanding
Thirty three merely excellent
Tales of a scorched earth merely excellent
An ode to no one merely excellent
Love merely excellent
Cupid de locke merely excellent
X.Y.U merely excellent
Take Me Down merely excellent
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