Did you think the making a murderer guy did it? I can’t remember if I thought he did or not. I thought he didn’t.

I still don’t really know. I feel like I could subscribe to the owl thing more than I can him murdering her.

Weirdest part was when the daughters shared a bottle of blue hair dye!

I do but based on reading/podcasts outside of the series which was very one-sided. There was a whole load of stuff emitted from the documentary about how he obsessively called the woman who was killed all the time in the lead up to it and from deliberately withheld numbers and stuff.

Not sure if I should watch this. Listened to the Generation Why double episode on the case and it was very good, and seemed to be pretty comprehensive (I think he did it fwiw). They raised the fact there are some issues with the documentary, and it definitely sounds like they left a lot of stuff out… after watching the first episode, I’m not sure I want to watch another 12 hours of if especially if it’s not going to mention a load of stuff…

The initial series is really good and compelling and the court case procedural stuff is excellent. The new content on Netflix is stretched a bit thin though.

What happened in the podcast that made you think he did it?

Is anyone listening to The Teachers Pet podcast? Bit like a serial style thing

All of the evidence. And that he had a motive. And that he might have already done it once before.

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But that’s what was in the documentary?

Just finished this too - I really enjoyed it, and whilst it felt too long, that was clearly because I didn’t have an 8 year break in the middle like was originally in place.

Much like with Making a Murderer, I don’t think he did it, but I certainly don’t KNOW that he didn’t. So that made good TV for me. And some of the bants and laughs were odd, but so much time was passing, and we were seeing little snap shots of a family trying to move on from what they believe to be an accident, and in the midst of what they believed was a bizarre injustice.

Did he have a motive explained in the doc?

I think a possible motive was that his wife found out that he was having sex with men on the side (he states that his wife already know this).

Motive: That his wife found out he may have been entertaining the idea of a sexual affair with a man? Not really a motive as such without an evidence of a disagreement between them and a fit of rage. People find out their partner are having affairs every day and not everyone gets murdered.

Might have done it before: Was there any evidence on that?

I haven’t seen the doc yet so don’t know all the specifics but from what I gathered various elements were left out or glossed over. I’ll probably have to watch it now just to see!

The bi-sexual thing.

HE’S A BAAAAH-SEXUAL!

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Never gonna be able to say bisexual normally ever again

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It was pretty thorough!
Apart from the owl thing.

I definitely think there wasn’t enough evidence to convict him.

That’s how I usually come away from these true crime things, like Serial - I generally think on balance there’s enough to suggest they probably did it but there’s just enough doubt that it can’t legally be proved. And often that’s down to the police / prosecutor’s fucking up.

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Very much in the possible camp that, so can’t be treated as a true motive. So I am clear, did we establish for sure if she knew? We found out the kids didn’t know, until briefed pre-trial, but was it established she knew and turned a blind eye?

I felt like the doc was annoyingly vague on what felt like a key point to me.

Serial is the one where I am totally confident they didn’t do it.

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