#348

dunno, high profile highly publicised reunion tour, would have expected them to have sold a large chunk early on, early sales look pretty bleak

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#349

Can we get pavement in on this interband beef

Luckily we now have DiS-approved science to find out the relative merits of the bands potentially drawn into this beef.

So, rank bands from the 1990s American “Alternative” rock movement (inclusive of, but not limited to, the titans of Seattle’s “Grunge” scene). 13 for the best, 1 for the worstg

  • Alice In Chains
  • Eve 6
  • Hole
  • Matchbox 20
  • Modest Mouse
  • Nine Inch Nails
  • Nirvana
  • Pavement
  • Pearl Jam
  • Sleater-Kinney
  • Smashing Pumpkins
  • Soundgarden
  • Stone Temple Pilots
  • Three Colours Red
  • Weezer

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#350

Appreciate the effort :slight_smile: I thought you could do polls where you ranked thing in order of preference, but the website just decided to upload my half-finished post before I even got to that point. Figured at that point that it was a doomed enterprise.

Don’t want to sound ungrateful, but where did Bikini Kill go?

#351

Not sure but I think there was a copy paste error and they were replaced with Eve 6, 3 Colours Red and Matchbox 20.

Hate it when that happens.

#352

You rascal. You even kept my typo!

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#353

I quite often refer to this as the squarest banger of all time

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#354

think it’s maybe a slight age thing? Dunno. Anyway, Siamese Dream, (most of) Mellon Collie and Adore is such an amazing run of albums that they are worth a crack

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#355

lol no, you build up to mellon collie, listen to Siamese Dream first obviously

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#356

I feel like this poll was designed purely to irk me

#357

Man there’s some weird comparisons/opinions going around this thread.

Smashing Pumpkins: Great band, but Billy had pissed most people off in some capacity or another, and releases a lot of music as an insanely prolific writer but that often doesn’t have quite the same urgency or magic as his best work, hence why their stock has massively fallen.

Sonic Youth and Pavement aren’t even remotely comparable, I’ve literally no idea what they are doing in this thread, but while they are:

Sonic Youth have an album for everyone, you just have to look out for it. I do kinda understand the opinion that “oh this wasn’t quite what I was expecting” because I had it too when I first fully dived into them, but then I listened to some other albums and basically decided their best stuff is Sister, Daydream Nation and Sonic Nurse.

Pavement said a diss at Smashing Pumpkins once, boo hoo, they’re still a massively important band in terms of “indie” music, and someone brought up “hipsters”, well yes, and what?

These are all three great bands, comparing them is very silly.

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#358

You’ve said it as well as I could man. Some serious chips on shoulders in here.

Disagree slightly on the Yoof’ but they’re a band that are impossible to reach consensus on. Daydream Nation is still better than anything that SP have ever done though.

#359

You realise that last sentence is a wee but chippy too though :wink:

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#360

Oh yeah, of course!

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#361

I will admit to really enjoying watching that Here is No Why video.

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#362

Well said

Although it makes perfect sense for me to see these three bands discussed together as they were all US bands that failed (probably thanks to inward gazing Britpop) to really get a big impact in UK culture while at the same time I tended to find fans of one would be fans of the other too (or at least receptive too). All three represent (IMO) sides of a certain Indie/Alternative aesthetic which I’d describe as bands most people had to listen to get into. Corgan’s voice was the big blocker for most people, while SY’s experimental aspects tended to push a lot away. And Pavement were just so damn ramshackle on first listen… :smiley:

Another thing they had in common in the mid 90s was how often the mostly cleared the dance floor in a mainstream Indie club. Probably CD pricing had a lot to do with it as you were looking at £12 for an album by a britpop band on first week of release but sometimes £16 for US bands. I seem to recall Garbage being an exception and that’s one of the reasons I bothered to get their first album.

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#363

Kim Gordon started it!

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#364

I used to hate that song first time round, mainly for the cheesy opening riff, now I love it, the soup of guitar effects that kick in on the chorus and it has this weird tranquil momentum

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#365

My first exposure to them was borrowing my mates copy of Melon Collie, it was that second disc that really got me, had a box of riches thing going for it. I’ve always found Siamese Dream a bit bland in comparison

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#366

Yeah the effects in the chorus are what really elevates it although it’s ripped hook line and sinker from New Order (lovingly so though as Corgan’s a massive New Order mark as he then appeared on Get Ready the year after)

Fair enough, they’re very different records to be fair, I just feel Siamese Dream is probably the best place to start as it’s condensed into one record and has a couple of their biggest singles on it. Obviously though if you were just getting into them I’d say just do Siamese to Adore in sequence and see what sticks

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#367

yeah OK, I get that connection between them, but it’s still pretty loose! All those bands did eventually make their impact in the UK, I feel that has a lot to do with mtv2/Kerrang actually

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