The End is the Beginning is the End is a banger #realtalk
Was slightly disappointed at first that Adore wasn’t in this vein (got over it though)
Pumpkins will always and forever be my favourite band, but these days it’s a bit like following a consistently disappointing football team that keep getting knocked out of championships for scoring own goals
Re. the Zeitgeist production, it’s Billy’s habit since Zwan onwards of putting very dry vocals way too high in the mix. Too much self-production, and leads to quite a distinctive voice becoming quite over-powering. Zeitgeist was particularly bad for this as he doubled himself up repeatedly with his own high-in-the-mix backing vocals. A choir of Corgans, if you will
Next Game of Thrones title needed work
I’m less sensitive to and knowledgeable about production issues than most people on here, but it’s pretty much a case of what @SoloStrike said. I know “Bleeding the Orchid” in particular has gotten a lot of negative attention for its deployment of the Billy choir. For many people it’s like:
- Strike 1: Change his voice from emotive to more nasally and detached
- Strike 2: Now push that all the way up in the mix
- Strike 3: Make it sound like there are 30 people doing this at once
My other complaint about the production would be something about the guitar sound - I’m not quite sure what the right word is, but there’s something artificial about it maybe? Compare how “Bring the Light” or “Cmon Let’s Go” sounds to anything from the original run.
If someone else has more complaints about it I’d be interested in hearing them. I thought parts of Zeitgeist actually were recorded with a lot of life. “7 Shades of Black” in particular feels very alive.
My mum being the cool person she is gave me her copy of Siamese Dream to listen to when I was about… 14/15? Stuck with me pretty much immediately and ever since
can almost guarantee i’ll be in the minority here but i actually really love the stuff billy did for the “spun” soundtrack
Love that stuff. “Think you Know” is beautiful
actually it must be slightly younger than this, because I vaguely remember when Machina came out/they broke up, so I must have been 12/13 when I got into them? This was also compunded by their videos often being played on MTV2 and Kerrang!
The Scenes Amazing, more like
Ouch I was eighteen when it came out and I bought it in vinyl. Have we had a “how old are we?” thread yet?
Might be old news to SP superfans in here, but enjoyed this interview with the guy behind the Mellon Collie artwork…
I’ve not seen it mentioned on this thread (probably because its about the Ava Adore video) but The Future Embrace is a great album.
I went to see him when he toured this album - at the Shepherds Bush Empire.
That’s what I thought as well. It was strange that he didn’t seem to have that much love for the album.
I’ve never heard it but it was the first album I ever recall seeing for sale in Fopp for £1.
He he
Its definitely worth a listen, honestly.
Bee Gees cover aside, I’ve got a real soft spot for that album. Was a pretty logical next move from the Machina II shoegazey stuff too.
Thank you! It’s a great album that was 90% doomed by people’s attitudes toward Corgan and 10% doomed by the album cover. It’s creative, melodic, atmospheric, and it even rocks at some points in its own way. I honestly think it’s one of the better / best shoegaze albums out there.
I know Netphoria hates everything, but I never understood why they had such specific hatred for I’m Ready. The chorus melody is wonderful and classic Corgan, and that subtle twist in one of the latter occurrences is fantastic.
I mentioned this already regarding Machina, but many people I know are really aggressive in their efforts to tell me what an embarrassing album TFE is and that it’s unjustifiable that I defend it - not a single one of them has heard a single second of music from the album.
I just remember it sounding very weak and forgettable, to be honest. I probably would have revisited it, but I think I dismissed it after a couple of tries, and then Corgan made three extremely dull SP albums, and I just sort of saw TFE as the beginning of the slide.