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Iām feeling optimistic about this too - Iām not sure if itās based in anything concrete, but there seems to be a different air around him lately. It doesnāt feel like those Teargarden or Monuments periods, and Iām also encouraged by the massive shift in style and quality from Monuments to Ogilala (I can enjoy the former for what it is, but lyrically itās definitely lacking and he seems pretty detached, and heās at his best obviously when his emotions are fueling the songs). I know Iām in the minority but I still think heās capable of doing something truly great. Really hoping for the new album announcement at the end of the clock.
If I were given the chance to go back in time specifically to attend one live music event, it would - without hesitation - be their (former) last ever show.
I mean, that setlist. Incredible. Playing for three hours and still having stuff like Cherub Rock and 1979 to throw out? Also that club holds, I dunno, a thousand people? I saw Islands there once. Islands!
Incredible. I always wish theyād brought out the gig on DVD. The recording of Fuck You (an ode to no-one) on the compilation DVD they brought out is phenomenal
Yes!!! I love that. There was talk of it coming out officially but it never happened. I seem to remember at one pointing having a recording but it was from someone in the crowd so not the best quality.
(I need to find my copy of the DVD - really loved the commentaries, especially when they were utterly unaware. I think it was for the Zero video, and Billy is recounting some story about how the label didnāt want to pay for another video, and he just went to the President and was like ālook, I have an affordable idea, just give me $20,000 and Iāll make a video.ā in this absolutely nonchalant way. The 1990s!)
Canāt he at least bring Melissa back
Everything he does has flashes of brilliance but Monuments it was just too thinly spread amongst forced power pop by numbers stuff. Lacking emotion as you say. Anaise is great though. Look forward to some hot debate on any new stuff as thereās 0% chance he can please everyone. The divisiveness and outsider thing is part of the fun
Fingers crossed for a 6 hour modular jam.
The Pumpkins reunion going off the rails before itās even been officially announced is probably the most Pumpkins thing imaginable.
Conflicted really. She deserves to play a full role in this and if she says she is able then he should take her on her word. However he is probably in his rights to be nervous about it, given he hasnāt seen or heard from her in 19 years, is aware she hasnāt played professionally in that time, and is obviously putting so much pressure on the tourās success.
What heās offering seems fair, looking from his perspective, but not looking from herās.
Maybe just get in the practice room and see how it goes.
Iām not a big Corgan fan, but he was pretty reasonable in those text messages. Also I assume these are the ones shared by Dāarcy and it is not one long conversation, so I imagine these are the hand picked bits that make him look the worse.
Yeah, not trying to go to that show is one of my biggest regrets. Logistically it made no sense - at the time I was absolutely swamped with projects in a soul-crushing first semester of college, and had the āno car / terrified of flyingā combination going. Itās easier to say it in hindsight, but I wish my memory of that day was a three hour show by my favorite musician and songwriter of all time.
So, so, so amazing. I love that wink Jimmy gives to the camera, he knows what theyāre about to unleash. Thereās really no live band like them.
Sheās saying in these messages she wants to be involved, but saying it is one thing, if she hasnāt actually turned up to anything, then how long can you wait. He keeps the door open by basically saying thereās not enough time now for you to be completely involved but we can work something out.
Obviously we donāt know the full story here but BC doesnāt really owe Darcy anything, yet he is offering her the chance to: a. make alot of money, b. being back in a stadium rock band. Again I donāt know Darcyās situation or what sheās gone though/going through but thatās probably a lot better than anything else sheās got going on. She repays him by not showing up to anything and then posting private messages online.
Yeah, we obviously donāt know the full story yet, but this is a really good point. Back when I had my band, I had to kick out our original singer/guitarist - if you had looked at the emails, he was very enthusiastic about being a part of it, but in reality he no-showed for three weeks in a row (and was shocked to get the news).
But I donāt think thereās anything in eitherās history to suggest one is lying. People are quick to jump on Billy, but unless I missed something he historically gets into trouble by being more, not less truthful.
Even though it didnāt have Jimmy, the 1997 Vancouver show is another candidate for the time machine. That Silverfuck (and the strange energy throughout the show) is legendary.
Great setlist too:
This is all very sad and grimy. Youāve gotta feel for DāArcy, sounds like sheās been through the ringer, but I donāt think you can really blame Corgan for being reticent. Potentially knowing she may not be able to tour without it affecting her mental health substantially. As someone mentioned above too, itās all well and good stating you want to be a part of something, but if youāre not willing or able to commit to writing/recording/rehearsal thenā¦i dunno.
Presumably it will only be a matter of time until James Iha has had enough and the wheels fall off again. Corgan sounds so spiteful
āThen he got whatever Asian guy to play guitarā. Thatāll be Jeff. Who has been a band member almost longer than she was.
Reads a bit like a hatchet piece this. Feel for her, but iām not sure this is the full story. Who listens to the Pumpkins because they think Corgan is a āniceā guy anyway?
Itās a big old mess. Typical of the Pumpkins really