I think it’s when ‘myself’ is used where ‘me’ would do.
So when you said ‘trailblazers like myself’ that was doing ‘the thing’ because ‘trailblazers like me’ is ‘correct’.
However, you would say, “I’m going to make myself a sandwich,” because “I’m going to make me a sandwich,” is not right.
I’m not learned enough with English to explain why these are wrong though. It’s an instinctive understanding of ‘proper’ usage. Of course common usage is king really and it’s also common usage now to have ‘myself’ used in that way so…
(This is like the whole thing about my dislike of ‘lay’ being used where the ‘correct’ word is ‘lie’. Americans use lay in that way as standard and now British people do too. Annoys me but nothing you can do.)
I think they’re not borked. In general I think the rules of English are complex but clear, but I think they can be hard to teach and it doesn’t help that America has a lot of differences in spelling and grammar and leads to two competing versions of our language. In recent years English from other countries (e.g. India, via IT teams) has become even more prevalent so those are new rules again that we are exposed to.
Like, I imagine if you are French or German you only have the one major source of your language styles to reckon with.
makes me cringe when people make a big deal out of grammar, genuinely
being judgemental about spelling, grammar and syntax is inextricable from classism, ableism, racism, xenophobia (general Anglophone-centric white supremacist structures), even if there is no such knowing intent behind the judgement
you should rethink your stance on this
(will make exceptions for judging bad syntax if it’s being used by people who think a lot of themselves + their own opinion - say, people who write into/comment on the websites of nasty newspapers)
Whilst i agree with everything you’ve said, i don’t think you can really ask for @jeromium to ‘rethink’ cos this is a thread about cringing.
Cringing is an instinct based knee jerk response. Being a dick about it is very different.
I cringe all the time when i see apostrophe misuse, i can’t help it but (unless you’re in my year 10 and it’s my job to help you correct your work) I’m not going to storm up to the market stall and have a go about their apostrophes.
Can’t blame people for what makes them cringe, only whether they choose to act on it.
I still question the use of ‘cringe’ here? Like I say, cringing when you see grammar/spelling stuff in large popular/costly publications makes sense since this is a big embarrassment (for that publication or whatever).
But like a Tweet or whatever by someone random isn’t really that. Yeah, it frustrates me when I see misused stuff like that (and then I get grumpy at myself for still caring about something that’s really a tool of class/racial oppression in so many ways but that’s a separate thing) but I don’t cringe.
But the reason for it making you cringe is only knee jerk based on learned behaviour that can be undone with more consideration of the reasons why it might be wrong.
It’s easy to assume everyone has the same level of education, privelege or forget that people might have neurodiversities or learning differences.
I was a grammar pedant in my 20s and honestly now i couldn’t give AF (though as a sometime copywriter my posts are riddled with nonsense, doesn’t mean i dont get things right professionally but day to day i genuinely find it hard and exhausting to spot my mistakes or care enough to correct them).
Also so many errors i know i make are down to my absolute renegade of a phone keyboard/autocorrect that i sometimes retype over and over and at the end of the word it changes back again to having the wrong spelling or an apostrophe i dont want and i want to throw my phone at the wall multiple times a day so I can only imagine how older generations might feel if it happens to them).
Also think we need to be more accepting than ever now long covid has had such an inpact on so many and confusion and forgetfulness has become much more common.
Appreciate your point but knee jerk to me is a gag reflex, a shudder at nails down a board, not cringing at something that at the crux of it is judgemental behaviour.
i really struggle with -verse and -vergent and cant get it right even when i look it up and is a massive annoying and debilitating part of my adhd issues (being incapable of remembering the “right” way to say something) hence why you’ll always see me use impact never effect/affect as my brain just can’t do it and it stops me posting so many things because my self esteem about it is so low. Thanks for correcting me but would appreciate it being let slide given the context.
Same. I was confident i was getting it right then i got it wrong and now i cant make sense of it as i spin out over it. Not just this term, anything similar to this. Sometimes wonder if that’s maybe something like dyslexia rather than adhd? Not sure but even reading definitions of things doesnt make things clearer to me as i find processing meanings super tricky for some reason.