#96

people were once skeptical there was an alternative to chattel slavery tbf. if we survive the future our grandchildren will find it weird we thought there was no alternative to exploitation and poisoning the biosphere. and so on.

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#97

Thanks, a book might be better for me than a pile of rhetoric.

It’s not the way but the will I’m doubting

#98

Books are pretty centrist though

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#100
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#102

Education is not going to save us, everybody already knows the answer in their heart

#104

I guess whatever your flavour of, or wholesale change from capitalism would be, ultimately, there isn’t the appetite for it (certainly not in this country). Maybe only 5-10% of the population would welcome any large scale move away from the current system. So you must respect the will of the electorate and what people actually want. Need to embrace the boom bust markets and the constant need for growth and the pillaging of the planet and raspberry Pepsi max

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#105
  1. Take public services back into public ownership
  2. Provide free education, travel, energy, internet, food, housing and a basic UBI funded by higher taxes
  3. Turn companies into co-ops where profits are shared among the workforce
  4. Focus on green renewable energies

There are four simple changes that would not be too drastic to implement from our current position (although free food/housing now is a bit of a stretch I admit). After that we can see where we are and what else might need to change.

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#107

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#108

We have conceptualised taking out a loan on the planet, its come due. This couldn’t have happened without books

#110

I guess the main premise is that the authors believe it’s possible to accurately calculate the amount of labour required to deliver goods and services and that you could use these measurements to reflect the need for raw materials, labour-power etc and as a result deliver goods and services on a schedule that’s based more closely on consumption rather than profit whilst reducing labour time.

There’s a fair bit of other stuff in there as well about a more radical democracy based on a sort of digitized direct democracy, socialized medicine and childcare.

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#111

why would anyone do anything if they couldn’t earn a buck.

#112

I like this post and it definitely seems achievable with the exception of free housing. I’m not sure how you could ever go down this route given the disparity of quality of housing and location around the country.

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#113

socialism debunked

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#114

Remember this is the forum where most people would be happy to personally earn 100k+

#115

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#116

Thanks!

Now that we talk about it I imagine free housing would require long term planning and investment to set up the appropriate infrastructure as well as enough of a societal shift away from capitalism that people continued to support the concept.

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#117

or just turn up to landlord’s houses with guns.

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#118

Thanks everyone, I think I’ve got a better understanding now of what people are talking about and I’m pretty much on board. I’m off to burn all my Jilly Cooper novels now :grinning::wink:

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#119

and now to commemorate this occasion

jezza’s on his way with the vodka

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#120

I’ll look forward to my apology from all the people with aspirations of personal wealth another time then eh?