I haz no powers.

I have read quite a bit on personality disorders (as I thought I had one). my understanding is some of them are defence mechanisms that have got out of hand and become maladaptive, often as a response to bad experience and trauma, rather than an innate personality traits (though certain factors make people more predisposed).

I agree with you in regards to psychopathy though, I think all human traits will have a normal distribution and there will always be outliers, nature doesn’t make a perfect design that then goes ‘wrong’, it tries out loads of things, most turn out the same, some are rare. empathy (hate this concept because people use it to both mean being able to read people, and to care about people as if it is one thing but I mean just in the later sense here) will be like this, with some outliers.

So guess it is important to make a distinction between people that have developed anti social behaviour disorder due to psychological damage, and those that are just naturally that extreme (however, don’t think it is understood enough yet and the disorder does currently cover both). but I don’t really know what I am talking about, and like darwinbabe says, probably something we shouldn’t be talking about so hope I haven’t gone too far here

69 Voters so I’m closing this for posterity.

I think (and @bamnan) the issue is generally making sure people have a good standard of living. This is why we’ve got Brexit, because people’s lives are really rubbish. If you make sure you treat the poorer members of society with grace you will actually get a trickle up to the older parts of society IMO. Plenty of grandparents voted for Brexit because they believed they were doing the right thing for their grandchildren and I’d imagine we’re talking a lot of OAPs looking at their grandkids struggling in today’s society. The problem is they think this is the answer. You can’t hope to educate them really but if they were looking at those parts of society and saw people were already being taken care of and, indeed, if they were too, they would think it better not to rock the boat.

Treat people well and you will get a progressive society.

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Okay, @plasticniki are you ready to help put @profk in power? I think we’ll need to start gladhanding tech-bros for backing.

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I potentially read it wrong but I saw it as “be mindful of how you discuss it” rather than “don’t discuss it at all”.

I liked your description of personality disorders being possible defence mechanisms…I’ve heard a bit about schema theory over the last year or so (whilst being given an overview on dialectal behaviour therapy) and the focus was certainly on the “nurture” rather than “nature” side. What I gathered is that significant difficulty with emotional/cognitive regulation follows on from having traumatic learning experiences…so you adopt “maladaptive” coping strategies to deal with this. Of course…what is maladaptive to one may not be to another…and none of us have perfect methods of coping, either.

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Always been a big fan of people coming into a thread, taking the piss out of the participants and then getting huffy when someone has a go at them back for it.

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This is why I don’t think damning everyone who voted for brexit is going to benefit them or anyone else really.

True but I also think people confuse being angry at people with dismissing them or damning them, TBH. Just because your mum is angry at you for doing a bad thing doesn’t mean she thinks you’re an awful person. The issue with the Leave camp is they’re so scared it won’t happen they’ve gone into this hyper-defensive state where they try to force Remainers to feel guilty for the mere act of disagreement.

Yeah there’s lots of awful stuff going on but I hate it when people from a privileged position sneer at and blame it all on idiot poor folk. Also yes I do this myself and hate it when I calm down and catch myself doing it so happy to admit I’m a hypocrite.

At the moment, you only have want the wrong kind of Brexit to be deemed a traitor to the realm

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don’t think it can be collapsed down to one typical voter, the ones you describe are definitely a big strand but there are definitely more sympathetic strands too

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my dad claims our house has the ‘good type of asbestos’ bit scared to look into whether that exists so will take his word for it

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Madly enough, asbestos is still legal in the USA.

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All I can think of when I see them being punted is:

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Oh wow

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I assumed that was the point. :smiley:

These are pretty interesting too, wrt it being a disorder that has a physical presence in the brain. I gather they have a pretty good understanding of what behaviour they can reasonably expect to see from a psychopath but no real understanding of how it could be treated or why some end up murderers while other end up bankers or lawyers, etc.

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