You know, I reckon there’s something to the idea of it being a spectrum, like you and @wonton say, rather than an either/or situation. I mean everybody is a bit of a shit on some level, we all have selfish or uncaring moments, and occasionally we all do things we’re not proud of but don’t feel particularly bad about afterwards.
@whiterussian Nah fam, it totally fits the theme of the thread, like we have to grapple with our animal origins if we want a better society. We used to steal precious berries and totems from our neighbours and now we hotwire their sweet rides or defraud their grandma. It’s all part of the same continuum.