#382

I think he quote was “I’m going to deliver Brexit plus plus plus” which shows such a fundamental misunderstanding of what Brexit was about it’s worrying.

But I agree that it chimed in with the anti-politics of his, er, politics. Though that means making lots of blanket assumptions about the motiviations for voting leave and this rejoin voted Trump. Neither are particularly useful.

I think people voted Trump were overwhelmingly working class - at least what they’re saying at the moment.

There’s a interesting argument to be had about why the working classes feel so disenfranchised (until now!) but obviously I’d say leaving the EU is good and progressive whilst voting for a psychopath billionaire and claiming that’s Ant establishment is quite another.

Whatever. Politics is changing. For better and worse.

#383

he knew exactly what brexit was about and replicated it

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#384

They’re still disenfranchised. Voting for someone who promises to help you but has no intention of delivering on that promise isn’t enfranchisement, it’s exploitation.

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#385

Nice to have Roscoe and Marlon back I must say.

#386

One of my American friends is a teacher in Taiwan and posted this earlier:

#387

The stats I’ve seen show Trump didn’t really get where he is thanks to working classes, it was thanks to racists in the wealthier ends of the spectrum.

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#388

no, they rigged it had to make it look like they didn’t, so they gave him the election.

#389

on the late night satire topic - i think tbf both Oliver and The Daily Show have been fairly robust in their criticisms of Trump, albeit peppered with silly jokes about tiny hands etc for cheap laughs/easy comic relief (and because he’s so hilariously sensitive about it). and to be completely fair to Oliver, he refused to go near the subject of Trump at all or acknowledge that he was even in the running until his rise had happened and he became completely unavoidable. admittedly they had a lot of fun with him when he first announced his candidacy but i don’t think they could have predicted this obvious laughing stock would actually gain traction. extremely unkeen on Fallon and SNL both normalising him with fuzzy little guest appearances more recently though, even if the latter has gone on to condemn him pretty strongly in recent parody sketches.

#390

Massive this. Two lowest income brackets still voted democrat. By less of a margin than usual but it wasn’t a catastrophic drop. By comparison, the Republican base held up very well for Trump despite the party’s distaste at his methods. At the end of the day, despite all the theatrics, this is a straight-forward landgrab by the right on the working class and a reaffirmation that a) there is a deeply, deeply conservative core to America and that b) right wing parties don’t split.

Trump might be the crudest politician to have pulled this off but America is a pretty fucking crude country at the moment.

#391

it feels weird that we’re living in a time when satire has lost whatever scathing effect it might have once had and now seems to only embolden its targets somehow. i guess it’s become a case of preaching to the converted while everyone else can dismiss it as biased, rigged, the sneering of liberal ‘elite’. facts, truth, pointing out hypocrisy etc has all become teflon. ironic that the poster boy for this is the most over-sensitive manbaby on the planet.

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#392

Also, can I just say that both our leaders reactions to this have been a crock of shit. May has got to be panting with excitement at the prospect of validating brexit with show boat negotiations with America, whilst Jeremy is once again looking the other way on social issues to hail this as a rallying cry for the workers, as if this wasn’t another fucking victory for people who validate themselves by hating anyone different to them.

God damnit.

#393

Worse, it’s changing for the worse

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#394

think Jezza said that his election has exposed the problems, but that Trump’s solutions are not the right ones.

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#395

@moker - I was being sarcastic.

#396

For what it’s worth, I think Biden would have had a far better shot at winning the Rust Belt states than Sanders. Oh well. Hopefully next time the Democrats will have an actually competitive primary, with no-one candidate clearly being anointed by the party leadership,

#397

He opted to leave the EU by triggering article 50 as specified in the Lisbon Treaty?

#398

Centre ground liberal politics is basically dead isn’t it. People don’t value it’s ethics, and it’s economics are outdated.
As I’ve seen a few people say today, it’s socialism or barbarism.

#399

Think it’s possible to summarise Donald Trump’s career as that of someone who’s been pretty good at knowing what the American people want but largely unsuccessful at delivering it with any sustained success.

We shall see if that follows through to his presidency shall we.

#400

He mobilised racists to pursue a nationalist agenda

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#401

[quote=“asita, post:392, topic:8353, full:true”]
, whilst Jeremy is once again looking the other way on social issues to hail this as a rallying cry for the workers[/quote]

“But some of Trump’s answers to the big questions facing America, and the divisive rhetoric around them, are clearly wrong."

Please stop pretending to be a labour supporter, your centrist rhetoric is a fucking bore

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