#711

can’t we just have Tony back from the clutches of evil??

#712

as far as winning an election in 1990s/00s britain, he was about perfect as a candidate

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#713

What do people reckon to Biden’s chances? Friendly old white guy whose not a communist…

#714

Yeah, Biden could have clinched it. Just a bit old, but he’s 100% more likable than Hillary, and probably moreso than Bernie. Just a chill dude.

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#715

in 2020? I think he’ll be seen as too old.

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#716

Easy to say in hindsight but I reckon he would have wiped the floor with Trump. I reckon any male candidate on the democrat side would have won against Trump quite easily, even with an email scandal.

#717

Probably be perfect now tbh. Labour could do with another Blair, but instead of getting in power and being centrist, gets into power and goes heavily to the left.

#718

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#719

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#720

He’s had his own gaffes though. Plus, after eight years as VP, he’s as much a part of the establishment as anyone.

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#721

yeah, that is an issue that he was establishment, but he is so damn likeable, and he probably could have pulled crowds without having Bon Jovi or Jay Z. Also did everyone see his bit in Obamas speech? He’s an absolute babe.

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#722

Sure, you/I think he’s likeable. We are not the American electorate.

#723

possibly - i feel like any normal and competent Republican candidate (not that there were any in the primaries, but maybe someone like Paul Ryan) would have beaten almost any normal and competent candidate the Democrats offered up for precisely that reason, but this election was obviously far from a normal one and any more solid movement against the monster of Trump might have stood a chance. it’s the old line about Trump and Clinton each being pitted against the only person they had a chance of beating, isn’t it?

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#724

then again it’s very possible that big promises from both sides was the only approach - rather than big promises from one side while the other side has to point out the flaws, defend themselves from outlandish remarks and then try to keep anyone listening while they sensibly discuss which bits of Obama’s work they’d like to continue. it’s really difficult to predict alternative outcomes to such an absolute farce.

#725

Mad that Obama can’t run again when his approval levels are at a record high. Even higher than Reagans were

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#726

this, anyone would’ve somewhat been dragged down to Trump’s level. it’s also hard to know how Clinton would’ve done against a normal republican candidate, whole thing was a complete circus

#727

Surely his high approval ratings are partly tied to the fact that’s on his way out and has spent the last year doing the rounds on chat shows and shit?

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#728

Given that charitably nobody really has a clue what Trump’s going to be like as president I’m genuinely surprised how little speculation/comparison there’s been between him and Reagan. I know there are obvious differences, but I would have thought that taking Trump’s populist maverick stance as a base point it would make sense for a fair few commentators to start their predictions with “Like Reagan, Trump…” and take it from there.

#729

Not the reason

#730

I think what one commenter said below the article was much more perceptive than the article itself, which simply blames rapid ethnic change and goes no further: that it’s still the economy, but it’s how the white vote perceives their economic problems coming from that is key. The article conveniently ignores all the evidence concerning the number of people who voted for Brexit, citing immigration as the key reason, despite living in areas barely affected by it.

One of the big problems is that there’s been a levelling out across ethnic and gender groups amongst ordinary people of economic and social circumstance, whilst the elites have gotten increasingly richer and more remote. It’s not surprising that working class white males notice and fiercely dislike this the most, and that anger has been channelled into hating immigrants.

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