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#794

and yet here you are

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#795

Unfathomable isnā€™t it. 100% sociopath.

#796

yeah, imagine thatā€¦

#797

My mum says Iā€™m cool.

#798

thatā€™s sweet.

#799

You could just ignore it. Itā€™s not trying at all.

Although having said that, I should just ban it for the name, shouldnā€™t I? Oh well.

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#800

Right lads, iā€™m off to north korea, whoā€™s coming with me?!

#801

I banned them.

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#802

One of my wifeā€™s relatives - a very nice person, who Iā€™ve really liked when we met, and is bright and articulate and well-travelled and all the rest of it - voted Trump. Yesterday, she posted a story on Facebook about how women should be celebrating smashing a glass ceiling because Trumpā€™s campaign manager was the first woman to successfully manage a presidential campaign, followed by a dozen of her middle-class, middle-aged female friends saying ā€œYeah!ā€ ā€œThis is so great!ā€ ā€œGirl power!ā€ I posted ā€œGrab them by the pussyā€ then unfollowed her. I donā€™t know how to even start having a conversation round this shit with people who think like they do, but I know we have to find a way.

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#803

The wiggy twat has done me good and proper on my travel money.

Bought 5000 pesos for 220 quid last week. Couldā€™ve got them for 200 today. Worra dickhead.

#804

I agree with this, I also think the can be problems in the arguments made, because there just seems to be this tendency on both sides to oversimplify things, collapse things down to a generilisation (where it is the detail that is important), construct false dichotomies, and draw really out of context analogies, all to paint one side as righteous and the other as evil, but the other side can easily pick apart and dismiss. Itā€™s like everything has descended to buzzfeed level. Donā€™t get me wrong, I think the right are much more guilty when it comes to poor arguments and misinformation, but the left does mirror it a little

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#805

Iā€™ve seen quite a few similar tales expressed like this over the last few days. Iā€™m intrigued as to why they donā€™t seem to have been called out as mansplaining. At the end of the day itā€™s not for you to (implicitly) tell women who voted for Trump why they shouldnā€™t have, isnā€™t it?

#806

poor @iamwiggy

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#807

I was conversing with two Trump supporters online last night, trying my hardest not to get enraged and attempting reasoned discussion. Both were apparently completely oblivious to all of Trumpā€™s wrongdoings - I sent them a link to that video where Trump is practically ogling a child and the response from one of them was ā€œdonā€™t believe what the media tells youā€. It is an absolute fucking mission trying to reason with people who have no care for facts. Though one person was horrified at the anti-LGBT pandering by Trump and Pence, she said sheā€™d at least read more about it and try and make sense of it.

Tbh Iā€™m sick of people cheering for a candidate who without even being in power has peddled so much hate and aggression. I personally find it hard to feel sorry the reaction to Trump supporters when I see whatā€™s happening to non-white/queer people in America.

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#808

And itā€™s always a one-way thing, people in London are ā€˜out of touchā€™ with Brexit voters, people in New York with Trump voters etc, nobody ever says that people in rural or small town Britain/USA are out of touch with liberal culture in big cities and demands that they understand us.

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#809

Thought this was a decent thread:

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#810

Yeah. Iā€™m intrigued at how both here and in America, the term ā€˜liberalā€™ has now become commonly used in a pejorative sense.

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#811

This isnā€™t going to get a left wing candidate elected anywhere. Telling the Brexiteers and Tory voters to be more like the urban liberals simply will feed their alienation. What we have to accept is the fact that the people who voted for John Major voted for Blair voted for tories voted for brexit. And the same in America- same people who voted for Bill voted for Bush voted for Obama voted for Trump.

Us urban liberals need to understand the concerns of the rural working class. This doesnā€™t mean being right wing populist, but understanding the legitimate concerns of people.

#812

Youā€™ve really not read that thread, have you?

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