UK Politics: December 2022 - I'm dreaming of a socialist Christmas

Yeah but the other lot.

Still least joy at Tory fucking it

Give it to Steamer until the end of the season

Not correcting that

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I donā€™t want to get my hopes up for a spree of big names dropping out, but then I thought that the last time Javid made a big announcement about stepping down and then all hell gloriously broke loose.

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Well itā€™ll be quite something if King Charles has to depose Starmer for being too left-wing.

I think the fact that the deadline for Tory MPs deciding whether to stand again is three days after a by-election result showing that the polls are right and theyā€™re probably going to lose the next election is hilariously bad planning. Javidā€™s not even in a marginal, heā€™d probably keep his seat, he just doesnā€™t fancy being in opposition.

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KEITH. STREAMER.

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Chinny reckon.

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Still a year for him to get the ā€œBoris Partyā€ up and running.

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The Reform Partyā€™s there, wonder if heā€™ll just go there instead. Farage seems to have lost his shine, they could use a new brexity figurehead. Although they probably all hate each other

Any way Boris chooses to humiliate himseff is fine by me!

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This is a good point - given the number of multi-millionaire Tory MPs out there, what is the appeal for them to stay on having to potentially do boring low paid (arf) constituency MP work* in opposition for a minimum of five years**?

I guess people like Chope stuck it out throughout the New Labour years, presumably purely to sow evil wherever possible :woman_shrugging:

*Yes - I know that they happily outsource everything possible.
**Assuming Keithā€™s party doesnā€™t collapse in on itself via a black hole of his ego. Which it almost certainly will.

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Thereā€™s always the chance for some back-channel grifting for more cash

Didnā€™t know this but Chope lost his seat in 1992 (a Southampton one) and came back to Parliament in 1997 after a spell in consultancy, so either he didnā€™t like the private sector hours or he just really loves being an MP (which is probably true given how involved he gets with Private Members Bills).

I also did not know this :open_mouth:

But yes, he does appear to love the wrecking power him and his chums have regarding private member billsā€¦

I guess maybe there could have been a certain amount of acceptance the entire Tory party would be gutted so if you were standing newly in that election youā€™d know you would likely be in a much stronger position to shape the new party and even get put into a possibly shadow cabinet place?

I think having stood for the leadership 3 times without getting anywhere near, heā€™s probably realised that heā€™s never going to be allowed into that position, and I canā€™t see someone like Javid being as interested in the hard work of fixing the party as governing - heā€™s never seemed to be into doing heavy lifting as far as I recall - strikes me as a ā€œset the direction and delegateā€ type individual.

Oh I was meaning Chope standing in 1997.

Oh, right. Yeah. Perhaps realised that in the right seat itā€™s probably a job for life without any risk of people worrying about if heā€™s doing it well.

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To be fair to Javid (what a thing to say) he really stuck his neck out on housing, a proper toxic issues with the Tories. He basically got how tumbling home ownership rates were an existential threat to the party continuing so wanted loads more money for affordable and general market homes and related investment, but Philip Hammond was too busy being boring and cheap.

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Sounds like Gove might be following Javid out of parliament as well.

Heā€™d lined up a Times column when Truss was PM, but Sunakā€™s elevation has meant that heā€™s been more involved and not taken up the option of the writing gig.