#82

Agree I assumed a walloping too.

However this prediction just before polling combined with @anon76851889 saying it’s unsound now implies maybe they’re shit at reading the data too?

#84

I follow them and they’re usually ok in my experience.

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#85

This is fascinating, thanks.

London Live is owned by yer man who owns the Evening Standard and the Independent. But I know even that has struggled and massively cut back on original programming.

Interesting to see the Scottish channels mentioned. STV picked up the Edinburgh and Glasgow channels, running them separately (but with a lot of shared programming) before merging them into STV2, and then closing them. If they can’t make it work, well…

I was always really fascinated with this experiment. Was always hoping it would result in some weird and wild no-budget local stuff like you get on public access in the US, but that doesn’t seem to be the case and probably never could’ve been without public underwriting. A shame.

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#86

But I think it is horrifically damaging, especially as a lot of it is driven by the gossipification of politics, detaching it from the effects of policy, and also the repeated errors of excluding vast swathes of the country in their assumptions (i.e. these people never vote, why give them coverage, why even attempt to understand them, why give them a platform?).

#88

I had a quick flick through the last few days of their timeline. Most of what they’re saying seems sound, but they appear to have a blind spot on cherrypicking crossbreaks is all.

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#89

Leveson 2 & a press ombudsman with power to bring massive fines/shut down sites/orgs

The actual answer is nothing short of ending clickbait advertising models and regulating the ’attention economy’ so…we’re kind of fucked

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#90

thats my fave

#91

S4C is a strange beast in the digital era. Since analogue was switched off and Channel 4 became available in Wales they’ve literally registered 0 for quite a few things, but I think they serve a very important Public Service role in existing and providing a Welsh language service.

There’s no way you can justify the subsidy on pure viewing figures or anything, but they serve a cultural purpose that I don’t think the Local TV franchises do.

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#92

Fine organisations for what though - getting politics wrong? I mean, also be careful what you wish for. To me a particularly egregious example of journalistic wrongwaddery in the last election was Owen Jones who didn’t just get it wrong in thinking Labour were on for a hiding (as everyone else did) he actively used his influence within the party to attempt to move Corbyn aside and get Clive Lewis in as leader. I mean how far do we go with this?

#93

I think I just found the arrogance funny tbh. Always nice to see these elitist freaks get taken down a peg.

#94

Totally fair enough and at least you’re honest about it!

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#95

Nah, not for getting it wrong but for posting spurious bullshit …giving equal space to retractions than to headline grabbing panic propaganda. A proactive & preventative power rather than a reactive one

Journalism is supposed to be fact checked after all

#96

I can’t remember who said it but a journo once described the role of a good journalist as someone who tries to smuggle the odd nugget of gold past a censor who only permits a more or less constant flow of sewage into the national conversation. I think when you look at the class composition of the press it makes a lot of sense why they lean towards establishment narratives and why the standards are so poor. Their sympathies instinctively lay with the powerful and people who are like them.

I will say at least UK journos have the good sense to get shitfaced all the time.

#97

Scotland also gets BBC Alba, which broadcasts shinty and other random Scottish stuff alongside lots of programming in Gaelic. Imagine similarly that sucks up a lot of what local channels could offer.

Ideally though they should be a platform for local music, culture, sport. But that’ll never work under a commercial model, and I guess YouTube etc have made a lot of that unnecessary to be on TV and it’s just boring old people like me with unfulfilled Waynes World fantasies that are into it being on Proper TV.

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#98

Yeah… I was going to mention Alba, but realised I know nothing about it other than it existing!

Half of me thinks there would be a market for a currated TV channel with “the best of YouTube”, and some channels would work for it, but there’s so many people doing good stuff that wouldn’t fit that format at all that it kind of feels unfair to try as well.

#99

Just remembered on polling thanks to @1101010 actually…

Anthony Wells of YouGov/UKPollingReport has just published a summary of what went wrong in 2017 with the polls as opposed to 2015. It’s lengthy, but a good primer on why we shouldn’t write them off wholesale, but should be cautious about interpreting them.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/10002

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#101

getting close…

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#102

This is NI specific I assume?

#103

Yeah. How would they do this? There would have to be a parallel vote south of the border presumably

And I’m guessing both votes would have to return the same result ?