#373

Yeh, I think it’s an uphill struggle too based on purely anecdotal evidence.

My wife’s aunt’s boyfriend posts A LOT of anti-Corbyn stuff on Instagram. I don’t know his political allegiance before Corbyn so maybe not much to see here

My wife works in a Jewish primary school and on one god-awful lunchtime the conversation turned to politics just before the 2017 election. Some of the comments are about Corbyn were :confused:. He ain’t never getting back over that threshold

#374

meanwhile, this is happening

theresa may is evil scum, let’s never forget

and it’s going to get worse & worse. I expect a full post-Brexit round up of anyone not armed with a blue passport

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#375

anyone know what this percentage was in the past? what was it under Miliband?

#378

If I were on my laptop, I’d get the figures myself, but the British Electoral Survey is the place to go for this data. They definitely have it for 2015, but I’m not sure it’s available for last year yet.

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#380

Wish this wasn’t such a serious discussion, else i’d be lookaway passing that one in at the far stick and wheeling away into a Mick Channon celebration.

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#381

Does seem like whataboutery to some degree, and i’d hope there are actually tangible measures being put in place to address the recent issues within Labour, but this is fucking unreal…

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#382

You only have to look at May’s defence of her employee outing someone over the weekend to know they still have issues. The problem - as you say yourself - untill Labour can be seen to be rooting out/dealing with their own problems, they’re always going to be on the back foot on this… The idea that the Tories house liars, biggots and upper middle class criminals is priced into how people see the parties already.

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#383

incredible this.

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#384

it’s really depressing how lots of people don’t recognize antisemitism when they see it, the way they can with other forms of racism.

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#385

Nah me neither, it is what the larger media outlets are implying though.

#386

It’s wild isn’t it? I have seen countless examples of nonsense like this over the last few days:

kemp

And yes, I’ve picked a particularly vile example but the sentiment seems to be widely held.

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#387

It’s the “#jews” that really gets me…i mean, just imagine

#388

Another example of the word ‘smear’ doing a lot of heavy lifting when applied to Corbyn as well.

Not saying he doesn’t get a disproportionate amount of smearing. He does. But some view everything as one, and they always will.

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#389

Can’t wait until Labour have another milquetoast centrist as leader running on a ‘we hate immigrants too!’ platform and they get stuffed in an election and everyone acts confused as to how this could happen.

(and no, that doesn’t mean I think Labour shouldn’t do more about anti-Semitism etc)

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#390

Your regular reminder that the last Labour manifesto contained the pledge of ending freedom of movement after we leave the EU.

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#391

I think it’s both a smear and that there are elements of antisemitism amongst grassroots labour membership that need being dealt with.
As it is the accusations against him are weak leadership (bit early to tell imho), sticking up for a mural he clearly hadn’t paid any attention to but regrets, and being facebook friends with dodgy characters. I think his entire approach to countering terrorism by talking to them works a lot better than what we do at the moment and similarly to the IRA doesn’t suggest he supports their opinions or actions and that’s maybe why it’s a smear (well, that and the obvious disparity with the obviously more racist institution opposite from him within a largely 2 party political system). That doesn’t mean the voices of Jewish people who’ve experienced racism from the left should be ignored though so he does need to do something and there should be no tolerance of it, it’s 2018 ffs.

#392

After the manifesto came out and seeing the unity it generated (from the membership if not all of the PLP) I think everyone who regularly haunts these threads agreed that the next major thing Labour and Corbyn specifically needed to do was to take a significant step to address the antisemitism, starting with Livingstone. I genuinely believe it’s an adjacent problem rather than an endemic problem for Labour but it’s so easy to spin it as the latter. That’s what is happening here and it feels like complacency more than anything that got us to this point.

It’s a massive shame for many reasons but the fact that it offers the Tories a fig leave for a multitude of sins that sit so squarely in that organisation is absolutely one of them. Labour have to take substantial steps to address this problem and use their efforts to draw attention to the failings of the other side. If we have to have oppositional politics then let’s try and use to to make everyone be better.

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#393

Ah yeah I always forget about Livingston, why the fuck isn’t he just binned off

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#394

He’s this weird middle ground of ally and liability that meant neither Corbyn’s inner circle nor the party office wanted him properly gone, because he served a purpose for both of them.

#395

That’s absolutely mind boggling, he’s easily as toxic as say Blair without being a war criminal, just being a complete idiot. Would think wherever/whenever he made a public appearance he did more harm for the party than good, and that’s after even removing any ethical decisions of keeping such a raving bigot onboard.