i was suggesting that being the ‘best president’ because he lifted the curtain isn’t quite true - no one either cared or got it except the already converted choir

The only thing anyone know about Grover Cleveland is that he served two non-consecutive terms, and the only reason they know this is because of the Simpsons:

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I kind of agree with you and safebruv here.

There’s no denying now the absolute base corruption of the GOP and how everything from culture wars to tax reform was all a lie.

But it is so entrenched it doesn’t seem to matter.

It is a terrible thing to say but maybe if the worst case scenario had played out on the 6th and the GOP was facing dozens of murdered senators, congressmen and a vp handing from a rope. Maybe then…maybe they’d make a change.

What do you do when Fox news is still all in? What is the Murdofh end game?

Someone has to break the GOP in half if democracy is to survive . Biden or Harris or AOC can’t save it.

Benjamin Harrison had two pet alligators. So there is that…

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Now that is a fact I like.

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Not exactly hard to use it to frame arguments though is it and do that hands across the aisle bullshit.

“People are that desperate they turned to him and giving them healthcare, a living wage may help foster a sense of community, we want to improve living conditions in red states”

“A fascist has filled the Supreme Court with ideologues it needs expanding or closing”

But instead it will be

“We need to tackle the deficit” and some id pol anti culture war stuff that they’ll get wrong and make worse

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Don’t hold this against him at all tbh, in fact the opposite.

Cats maybe, but there’s no way a us president has enough time to properly look after a dog

(Ironically though as the biggest shirker probably ever, trump probably could have made it work)

james buchanan was the first gay president.

yeah i agree with all of this. i just think (as you’re even saying) that any sense of showing the world how broken it is is totally facile as most are finding new ways to explain it away as a quirky phenomena, or believe trump was a plant against literally all evidence, or believe that it’s down to anything other than a broken system

I posted this in the covid thread too- the producer of Plandemic was spotted in the Capitol mob.

Interesting, one of things where it’s kind of impossible to say now I guess.

I’m not holding against him. Quite impressed to be honest!

Do like Andrew Johnson’s entry on the list-

Fed white mice he found in his bedroom

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Big bar energy

Secret Service used to go to the Obama’s to use the toilet!

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Done:

Secret Shitter

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Threw up in my mouth a bit at “Javanka”

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“You can take a bullet for me, but you’re not allowed to use the toilet”

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Imagine if there had been some sort of security incident and it turned out the secret service were round the Obama’s

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