Some really very good moments interspersed with a lot of pretty excruciating shite. Overall not a bad comeback though innit.

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Elaboration!

Bad things:

The fucking Life and Death Brigade, worst thing about the original show, worst thing about the comeback
That “British” woman that Rory was going to write the biography of was excruciatingly bad
The surrogacy storyline was pointless padding
The trip to NYC was pants, “Lol @ queues” was a lukewarm take at best about five years ago
The fact that they addressed the lack of PoC from the original run by making literally every speaking extra black but still couldn’t stretch to actually write a full role for any of them…
Too much Logan, Logan is fucking boring and I never bought for one minute that Rory would go for him initially let alone still be hung up on him a decade later
Musical went on for too long and Kirk wasn’t involved in it
Wedding attended by Michel and Lane only as they obviously couldn’t get everyone together to do the whole town, that’s fine so just make it Rory, Luke and Lorelai, why the fuck were Michel and Lane there!?
Lorelai is just the pits

Good things:

Paris is great
Emily is great
Luke is great
Kirk is great
Thought they handled Richard’s death really well, anchored the whole thing very well and I think the real-world loss brought out the best of the actors
The big emotional payoffs were well done (Lorelai ringing Emily, Luke pouring his heart out etc)
Funny to hear them using mild swears
Glad that Jess wasn’t around much

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I’m halfway through Summer now, and pretty much only hate-watching it at this point. Just want it all to finish so I can complain about it.

Ooft, that bad!?

I’ll reserve full judgement for now.

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Right, so:

[spoiler]I thought on the whole it was excruciatingly bad, with a couple of somewhat redeeming moments.

  • The whole thing seemed more comedy infused than the originals, like more surreal than the original whimsy. This is probably for the best, because when it tried to be serious, it generally fell fucking flat

  • The sheer amount of call backs to previous bits was unnecessary, just felt put in out of obligation. Why Dean? “Tristan”? Even Sookie, would have been easier without her.

  • Rory left her own grandfather’s funeral early to go fuck her engaged ex in London. Nice! And Lorelai’s story… even if she was drunk / angry, seems so out and out wrong and not even in character. Just daft plotting to reinsert a gap between her and Emily.

  • Everything Rory did was awful. Logan, “Paul” (how hilarious! A gag basically stolen from Arrested Development), she deserved to have a failed career. The thing with the town newspaper made no sense (two full time staff but the editor was unpaid? Okay). SandeeSays, getting Mitchum’s help wth Conde Nast… even her brilliant idea to do a book wasn’t her idea. And of course she should have expected Lorelai to be upset about it. Also, you’re 32 and have been given everything on your life on a plate, riches beyond imagining. If you’re failing at shit, it’s your fault. Deal with it. Seriously, fuck Rory.

  • Lorelai wasn’t much better. Her and Luke still don’t seem like a functional couple - the surrogacy thing was never properly resolved, they kept on talking around it (while also partly ignoring April).

  • That musical sequence took fucking hours for approximately zero payoff. The fuck? What was the therapist doing there too?

  • The Wild bit - do the Palladinos have some grudge against Cheryl Strayed? Felt like a suggestion in a writer’s meeting that got out of hand. The whole thing was badly paced and edited, but that in particular felt superfluous.

  • The general whiteness / privilege etc that always existed just got ramped right up, didn’t it? Emily’s “hilarious” foreign family, the cringey gay pride bit, the ludicrous displays of wealth (even worse than the Life & Death Brigade shit was just Rory flying back and forth from London). Paris’ house was literally too big for her nanny! The pool bits with the child slaves and fat shaming was very odd too.

  • At one point they stole a gag straight from Family Guy (the Wizard of Oz “I’ll miss you the most of all / Hey, we heard that” line).

  • Everything it took the piss out of - Cronuts, Man buns (more than once), Hamilton, Uber, etc etc - felt out of date already.

POSITIVES, SUCH AS THEY WERE

Emily was great, the only actually enjoyable character arc in it.
Paris, Kirk, Michel, Taylor, Babette, etc, still bringing the goods. Michel had the best LOL moment (“Did you play Rolfe from the Sound of Music one to many times?”) Paris kicking the door shut too, that was good.
Luke’s speech in the kitchen injected some heart into the thing.
Logan and Jess both got really buff! JFC. How do I look like Jess.

Yeah, I think that’s it. So who’s the daddy of Rory’s baby then/ Logan or the Wookie are the only two people she shagged right? They’re not actually going to make any more, are they?

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RORY IS PREGNANT AS A SURROGATE FOR LORELAI AND LUKE???

Enjoyed that wee rant Hygzy, nice one mate.

He’s a dreamboat:

*walking-cliche bellend

He’s not aged tremendously has he

He’s a handsome bloke but that fucking character man, he’s like the lamest cliche of a “bad-boy” that’s ever existed

WHAT? He’s aged spectacularly. Teenage him looked like he could have been in Blazin’ Squad or something.

Sorry man no offence meant!!!

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Nah, arguably he’s the only character who ever really properly grew up (by leaving Stars Hollow in his dust). He was a bad boy teenage twat, he’s one of the least objectionable characters now.

Nah, that in and of itself was fucking dull and cliched, the bookworm bad-boy with a heart of gold going off to find himself like he’s fucking Jack Kerouac or whatever? Nah mate, I’ll pass thanks. Admittedly he felt more like a person in the few minutes he got in the revival but nothing redeemed his existence in the first place.

I understand why you’d personally dislike him but I feel like you’re holding him under greater scrutiny than other characters or the show as a whole really deserves :confused:

Nah, the good thing about this show is that the characters largely hold up to that scrutiny (it’s why it’s so watchable despite having two protagonists who are just straight-up bad people so regularly), there’s a degree of depth and legitimacy to the majority of them that just wasn’t there with Jess IMO. I understand the requirement of him as a character and the direction it inspired Rory to go in was definitely needed I just thought he was really poorly written.

Really? It just seemed like a bunch of racial/class stereotypes surrounding the two main gals to me.

Hard working honest trucker hat man, ditzy/preppy poshos, repressed asian family, funny fat person, camp french man, etc etc
There’s a load of wafer thin characters really

On the surface level for sure but there’s depth to both of them (that Lauren Graham does a much, much better job of portraying for sure). It’s why the scenes with Emily and Luke are always the best, because there is actual subtext to them based on their histories and characterisation that rings true.