Why is Billy dressed like Emperor Palpatine?


Get really boring after a few tracks? No, loads of albums do that.


Thank you sir


that is objectively not true though:

1. “Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness” (Instrumental) 2:52
2. Tonight, Tonight 4:14
3. “Jellybelly” 3:01
4. Zero 2:41
5. “Here Is No Why” 3:45
6. Bullet with Butterfly Wings 4:18
7. “To Forgive” 4:17
8. “Fuck You (An Ode to No One)” (Listed as “An Ode to No One” on the original packaging) 4:51
9. “Love” 4:21
10. “Cupid de Locke” 2:50
11. “Galapogos” 4:47
12. Muzzle 3:44
13. “Porcelina of the Vast Oceans” 9:21
14. “Take Me Down”
1. “Where Boys Fear to Tread” 4:22
2. “Bodies” 4:12
3. Thirty-Three 4:10
4. “In the Arms of Sleep” 4:12
5. 1979 4:25
6. “Tales of a Scorched Earth” 3:46
7. “Thru the Eyes of Ruby” 7:38
8. “Stumbleine” 2:54
9. “X.Y.U.” 7:07
10. “We Only Come Out at Night” 4:05
11. “Beautiful” 4:18
12. “Lily (My One and Only)” 3:31
13. “By Starlight” 4:48
14. “Farewell and Goodnight” 4:22

reckon the first track that could legitimately be considered boring, though not by me, is track 9

No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. “Oooo I can make nice tables” TTF 4:22


from this list:


don’t remember most of the second disc but all of the heavy ones are definitely boring


7 is arguably their best song


“I forget to forget nothing is important” I hate that lyric so much


how come, I think it is quite a nice lyric about forgetting a bad past, really like the “I sensed my loss before I even learned to talk” bit too


I just feel like “forget to forget” is kind of an empty lyric that is trying too hard to be clever and doesn’t mean anything. Who knows where these instinctual reactions to lyrics come from eh?


sometimes words just sound nice, having said that I always thought ‘forget to forget’ is a good way of someone expressing they are struggling with something they have tried to forget




Think the first 5 songs of disc 2 are very good, but it wobbles a bit after that.


I guess I just think unless someone’s playing a solo, guitars sound shit on smashing pumpkins tracks


There’s a neat lead guitar line that follows the vocal melody?


Is there a Pumpkins song you wouldn’t say this about?

Jellybelly is the first one you could call boring and Stumbleine is the last one you could call great.

Think the best thing about this album is the mix of heavy ones and dreamy ones and poppy ones and stupid ones means that there are some good heavy ones.

Everything before this apart from Today and Spaceboy is shit.


I don’t really understand they question, I have always rated ‘to forgive’ very highly, it is probably the most personal song on the album for Corgs. Jellybelly is objectively not a boring song, can understand someone not being into it, but it is not boring


by starlight is great, so is farewell and goodnight “the sun shines but I don’t.”


This thread is going to be the death of me. If we’re really going to be raising critical standards to the point where Mellon Collie is considered boring and in need of trimming, then there isn’t one album from the past 20 years that gets to have more than two songs.


Drowning pool > smashing pumpkins


And this discussion is a prime example of how Corgan’s work is held to a certain standard that other artists don’t have to meet.