#158

I’ve not watched Game Of Thrones but Her Indoors would sit beside me in bed watching it and it seemed whenever I glanced over Danerys was being leered at by the camera and her story seemed like some real Birth Of A Nation shit, and this was before the recent series when you all still thought she was the best thing ever. Naming your child after any TV character is probably going to wind them up whether they’re a good character or not tho, melty thing to do.

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#159

I pretty much hate everything Joss Whedon has ever done. It’s all a giant aren’t I clever smugfest of crap with lame one liners substituting for character development or plot movement. Buffy was the ur-Whedon template from which it all derived, so it’s the worst of the lot. And he was responsible for Alien Resurrection as well. Never forget.

But you know, if you like it, that’s cool.

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#160

If you don’t mind, Mr F, you are quite wrong!

#161

there is a first time for everything

#162

I would agreed whedonesque stuff can be irksome, its spilled out into the MCU, even leaked into the last starwars. For me it is because the novelty has worn off, a tense moment which is undercut by a villain being humorous has lost its impact now. I do think buffy is more than that though, also while whedon was the creator and oversaw it, there were many longterm writers on it (Jane Epenson was my favourite).

I dont think it is fair to criticise it on character development, comparable shows would just reset the format every week, in buffy people grew and changed from their experiences. arguably it was influential in bringing in season long story arcs (sure people will argue twin peaks but that made it up on the fly, or the x-files that dabbled in arcs but not really), so is responsible for this golden age of television.

Think its ultimate strength though was the emotional weight it had, it was a fantasy show but was really about people, emotions and difficult situations, everything does that now and with hindsight it seems obvious but it was innovative and it did it well.

combined some genuine frights, with humour and relatable emotion. 10/5 best program ever

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#163

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the greatest and most enjoyable TV show of all time.

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#164

Does Buffy predate Babylon 5? That was the show I always had marked as introducing the longform story to genre TV.

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#165

Twin Peaks did that

#166

arcs are better when its not improvised though, twin peaks is obviously great but doubt many would say the long form story was done well

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#167

No, B5 was a couple years earlier than Buffy. Fucking love that show!

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#168

this is a take good enough for me to have thought of it!

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#169

I learnt from the master

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#170

the knowing joke/wisecrack/4th wall break has ruined everything that is good about storytelling

#171

Yeah! Haven’t gone back to it for twenty years, but but when it was airing originally, with no streaming or catch up services, it was proper must watch at any cost telly.

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#172

I didn’t have a tv and had to wait for my neighbor to come to watch it. :smile:

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#173

People named their kids Cersei too, TBF, and she was always a psycho

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#174

You’re saying one great act cancels all the bad? I hear you mags❤️hopes

#175

Twin Peaks does a traditional serialised narrative. But B5 seems to have first done the thing of a long running narrative plot underneath a traditional episodic format, maybe

#176

IT’S THE FINAL!!!

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#177

Buffy for the win.

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