In my line of work it’s not a case of robotic automation taking over but there are ways that other types of automation can take over. Now, if I’m working on a novel, rather than going through the entire InDesign document and applying style sheets, I just write a quick script. For example, if there’s a tab at the beginning of a paragraph it will apply normal text style plus an indent with the tab being deleted. No tab means normal text style with no indent. All bold text means that the script will apply the style sheet for a chapter heading and put a page break in front. All I then have to do is scroll through and check for where the person who typed/edited the manuscript hasn’t set up the text properly. Lots of time saved.

i don’t know why but such a long and detailed reply being to @discobot has done me

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Ha ha. Damn it. I replied to the wrong post in this thread. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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It’s fine, discobot really cares about your work woes, don’t you @discobot fortune?

:crystal_ball: My reply is no

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Pretty blunt :grimacing:

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Don’t worry, @discobot I’m used to bluntness from humans so from a bot doesn’t bother me.

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Enjoyed the last option here

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I find this place a good barometer for a lot of things - work is not one of them for me personally. Enjoy reading, just don’t bother contributing.

I honestly, honestly cannot see the appeal in being a manager. Even if it means being on £30K+.

I’m too much of a ‘creative’ sort of person, I think. That’s what I want to do for a living. I don’t want to spend my time in some stereotypical awful office environment ordering people about. Just seems really fucking boring and awful.

There must be other high-paying jobs out there which aren’t just ‘managing’ people, but nobody seems to speak of them as though they even exist, or are viable/pragmatic options, so everybody just seems to be a manager instead whether they like it or not, because that’s all that comes up on Job Search sites.

I also just don’t like the word ‘manager’.

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I saw a job advert the other day for a vacancy at the Daily Mail. I couldn’t bring myself to apply even though I could do the job well and it pays well enough. But I did consider that third option in my mind, albeit briefly.

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I would be so bored if I was a manager. If I’m working seven or more hours a day I want to enjoy what I am doing to a fairly high degree. That said, with enough experience a creative sort of person ought to be getting above £30k in my opinion.

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That second one from 'food is an absolute DiS classic.

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Yes there are shitloads.

Although it logically follows that people managers are often better paid to a) adequately compensate them for managing others and b) that managing people is really fucking important. Although I concede that this doesn’t work as meritocratically as it should on account of the amount of terrible, unconscientious managers out there.

Managing people can be great when everything is ticking along smoothly but is an absolute arse when it’s not. In my current job I inherited some team members from another team outside those I had originally hired and in the last 12 months I have had to deal with:

  1. A major clash of personalities between two team members

  2. A Sexual harrasment claim within the team (resulting in us having to fire someone immediately)

  3. The fallout of several unrealistic promotion promises made by their previous manager

  4. A high percentage of junior team members leave during a hiring freeze

  5. A seemingly endless round of interview to now finally restaff

All of these are on top of the stuff I have to get done as part of my day to day job as well.

There are shitloads but there is also the trap that in a lot of organisations, the main way to earn more is to go up the management path which means that you end up with a lot of poeple who are either unsuited or just don’t want to be managers in managerial or supervisory positions. At least at a lower level.

It can take time and a healthy bit of luck to find another way out of that, especially if you don’t have a specific profession or vocational route in mind.

I know I was fucking hopeless as a man manager but I eventually managed to get a sideways move into a rudimentary data analysis role and now I’m making shitloads from computers without having to care about anyone’s PDP.

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Well, £30k if you’re over the age of 30 and have ten years experience in the job anyway.

Yep 100%. It can be a cruel business. “Everyone reaches their own level of incompetence” is a harsh phrase, but it really is true.