šŸŽµ How Good Are They Really šŸŽµ Iron Maiden

I know I know :wink:

Are they though? Hugely influential band, no doubt at all, but can’t see much of their influence on death metal, war metal, doom metal or black metal. Happy to be corrected by someone who knows more about them than I do though

Also are they anti war songs or just voyeuristic and enjoying the grimness? If you write high tempo bombastic stuff about war I’m gonna assume it’s more that you think it’s cool

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perhaps only power metal which is a suck genre anyway

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Dunno, but listening to Powerslave/Piece of Mind this week and was struck by how some of the riffs could easily be in NoMeansNo or Faith No More songs. Think they definitely had a big influence on a lot of contemporaries in the 80s (even if those contemporaries would never admit it)

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Yeah Sabbath is way more influential, Christ even Judas Priest have a shout.

Maiden I think are better to think of as a gateway band, undeniably introduced a whole generation to it but their sound is so distinct (which is both a positive and negative) that there’s not really a lot else you can do it with it other than just sounding like you are ripping them off. Might you, most of metal is built on this so :wink:

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I know what you’re saying, but don’t think this always follows. Absolutely loads of anti war crust punk and d-beat bands / songs for example

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Yeah no doubt, just some of the overblown melodrama stuff feels more like revelling in the aesthetic, like how you wouldn’t say horror movies are anti murder just because they depict people in fear and suffering

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Self titled debut probably as that’s where Phantom of the Opera is from, the first album with Paul Di’anno on vocals, Killers was his last. It was used in a Lucozade ad in the 80s too;

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Absolutely - think they’re absolutely an influential band, and massively so in the 80s - just think that metal pretty much left them behind in the 90s (start to see them creeping back in a bit in the 00s though)

Cheers! Will check this out later.

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A 2 from me. I was once at Sonisphere because friends of mine were playing, so I rook this opportunity to watch them, because I knew I would never normally do that. I have never been so bored in my life. What did strike me was how amazing Bruce’s voice was, though. No mean feat as you get older, and especially given what he went through. It could have been a 1, but I kind of recognise their significance, even if they couldn’t possibly do less for me.

Paul’s on Killers too! Don’t think it’s as good as the debut though, but definitely got some bangers

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do kind of love all that 80s/90s pearl clutching over heavy music though

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I think this is the thing that makes me uncomfortable about them.

Feels like there’s massive cognitive dissonance going on with the whole ā€œwar is bad and so is imperialismā€ lyrics whilst making Ruddy Gruddy Great Bloody Britishness so integral to their identity.

Waving the Union Jack in Ireland and NI at gigs is not fucking on. All the military dress-up shit isn’t really on either IMO. It makes it feel more like a celebration than condemnation.

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absolutely agree with this

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yes, I just corrected my post. Not sure why I forgot Killers as I spent hours drawing the cover when I was about 15!

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" His interests at Oundle were often military; he co-founded the school wargames society with Mike Jordan, and he rose to a position of some power in the school’s cadet force,[11] with which he was allowed to handle live ammunition, which he used to create explosions as booby-traps.["

classic Northants lad behaviour really, lot of weird pro army nonsense around here

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Had I scored them in the early 80s it would have been 5 all the way, I wore out a cassette of Number of the Beast as it was permanently in my walkman when I was about 14. I know their first 7 albums really well but by the time Seventh Son came out in '88 I’d moved out of home and I was starting to investigate more music and other genres and pretty much lost interest in Maiden. So I’ve not heard any album in full since then so have knocked my score down to a 4.

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