Iāll sleeeeeeeeeeeeep through the rest of my days
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Ah, the coercive strings fallacy.
Why do think that these would be less ārealā than other forms of artistic expression, out of interest?
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I hate it, properly hate it.
Iāve tried over the years, from when it came out and most recently for the HGATR, and it goes straight through ādoes nothing for meā and comes out the other side. Good for you if you can get something from it I donāt, but itās a 1 from me.
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Ironically this album has a big Hollywood composer on it arranging the strings
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I dunno itās hard to describe because of the context I guess, the need to appreciate craft and talent maybe? My own reverse snobbery about middle class things maybe too?
Like if you read a great poem it should be about quietly connecting with your inner self and revealing a feeling, obviously this is all subjective but for me itās not about great or clever language. Same way if you look at a painting in a gallery you are in a gallery performing looking at a painting, chin-stroking, knowing that this is art and you should have a feeling
It often gets forgotten because it doesnāt happen as much these days but poetry is performative, itās supposed to read aloud to really get across what itās trying to say, so with that in mind these āpoeticā lyrics are just honouring that.
Regardless, while it is very wordy it still is able to ellict some very intense emotions out people, the āwhy the long faceā bit in Sawdust & Diamonds is a total gut punch every time I hear it
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is this a fallacy? Interesting. I have always felt there are certain sounds that can create emotions in me, tied into my own past etc but I donāt always want those things to do that especially if the greater whole isnāt speaking to me
Fair enough, I guess maybe I just donāt like poetry then
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Generous 8, itās my favourite album by an artist Iāve given a lot of time to but never quite clicked with.
No, I know what you mean and Iām sure that some people do go to Galleries to be performative, but I donāt think itās invariably the case. Itās not something I do often at all, but Iāve definitely gone to galleries and appreciated stuff without feeling the need to communicate this appreciation to other people for example. Would also say that hearing poems read out loud can add something - sometimes makes you focus on aspects that youāve missed previously. Again, not going to pretend Iām a regular at poetry readings, but have definitely got something out of them, even if I would probably prefer to read them to myself
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yeah i know nothing about art and never remember anything about any artists but i really enjoy wandering around an art gallery and looking at nice pictures with nice colours and stuff. v relaxing and i miss it.
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Last time I went to an art gallery there was a piece of string on the floor as part of an exhibit.
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Yeah I think itās more that the space itself is performative, like how live music is performative, or maybe a better analogy is if there was like an album listening party or something and 100 people were sat listening to an album, youāre going to be mindful of taking it seriously, investing time to explore if itās good and what the reasons might be that 100 people are sitting here listening to it. Like these threads too I guess!
Just my opinion right now anyway, nothing major 
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10 TIMES ART WENT TOO FAR
YOU WONT BELIEVE NO. 6
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Masterpiece
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No totally cool - just a nice discussion about art galleries! Was slightly wondering if you were thinking that Ys was in some way āinauthenticā, which is a criticism that gets thrown around on here quite a bit and is something I never understand, but youāre obviously not doing that at all
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I dunno, maybe it is? I canāt say Iāve related to it, doesnāt mean itās necessarily inauthentic though.
The idea of having a space thatās designed to provide stimulus to provoke and make people recontextualise their own feelings and experiences is obviously good but I think galleries etc are exclusionary especially in the way the broader culture is curated and whose opinions are listened to on what constitutes important art. Dead people from 400 years ago can get endless talked about and traded for millions for example which separates art/great art from the realm of the everyday. You and I canāt make great art because itās reserved for geniuses whatever they are. Just another way to control people I guess
I like it but donāt love it.
Iām admittedly not a lyrics guy, so a lot of that stuff goes over my head anyway, but sonically speaking iām not a great fan of the sort of more amped up Ren Fair feeling some of these songs have. The orchestration really doesnāt help, so iām not a fan of that bit. But āSawdust & Diamondsā and āCosmiaā more than make the price of admission worthwhile. Two of my favourite JN songs.
I go back occasionally, but I much much much prefer Milk Eyed Mender and Divers.
Iāll give it a 7.
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