The Cure listening Club

My very favourite cure era is their Imperial one from Head (or KMx3, I dunno) through to Wish but this intermediate stage is a close second for me

yeah to be fair my tolerance for whimsy is pretty huge, I like things that I’m sure would make lots of people scream

There’s a relaxed early demo of In Between Days on the deluxe reissue for HoTD dated December 84. You can hear Mary say “you tapin’ it?”

I got rid of my cd copy when I bought Join The Dots but it’s the only Cure I have on vinyl, think it was dirt cheap on a market stall and I couldn’t just leave it there

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After 3 really considered, world-building albums its weird to hear such a slight collection of songs. Would make more sense coming off of Boys dont cry

I see this a partner to The Top rather than Japanese Whispers.

The Head on the Door (1985).

I quite like Japanese Whispers. If we gather 3IB, JW, WMS and even The Top together as also-ran albums, I rate JW the best of that bunch. Will enjoy listening to this one. Love Just One Kiss. I’ve actually got the Lament flexipop single somewhere, too.

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Thanks for including Japanese Whispers in our rundown. It’s another important milestone in the band’s chronology (or at least the constituent singles are). As others have already said, essentially the band had imploded post Pornography and this period is really solo Bob. Lol moved off drums onto ‘instruments ’ and general sidekick (emphasis on the kick), although I doubt he had much, if any, creative input.

I do love this collection, even if I feel the actual singles have not worn the years well. Whether it was Bob’s doing or the label’s , there was an obvious intention to move into a more ‘pop’ arena. Knowing how much he kept a weather eye on Joy Division/New Order, I can’t help but feel the latter’s move to a more obvious electronic sound with Temptation and Blue Monday, and chart success, influenced the Cure next steps. LGTB wasn’t actually a hit at the time in the UK, just falling short, but opened enough doors for The Walk to pick up new fans and be their biggest hit up to that point.

Like many here, I think it’s the other tracks that have survived best . Just One Kiss is the most successful early example of the overall signature Cure ‘gothy’ bass-driven sound framed in a broad pop context. Still an all-timer for me. The Dream, Lament and especially The Upstairs Room are an inspired mash-up of 80s experimental sounds, tied down by Bob’s insistent whine. The 12” EP (as it was) was a constant on my turntable through 1983 and really mainstreamed the notion of 4 track EPs as a viable commercial statement.

I have nothing good to say about The Lovecats other than it’s success bought them more breathing space. Sadly, this song is, I fear, the band’s enduring legacy for 80s pop historians. In the same unrepresentative way that ‘It’s Oh So Quiet’ is for Bjork in the 90s. When the BBC report Bob’s passing it will be soundtracked by The Lovecats.

But putting that sad thought to one side, JW, is crucial to the development of The Cure and their ability to entice a new audience with pop sounding singles and then hook them with the range, depth and harder edge of their albums. They managed to maintain that balance for much longer than most bands and it’s there that the richest fruit is for us to gorge on in the coming weeks.

I’m a bit confused about how some committed Cure fans aren’t very familiar with this period, so look forward to seeing their assessment of this transition period.

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‘Friday I’m in Love’ surely?

:man_shrugging: I was four when this came out I think? I only really listened to The Cure stuff as it came out from KMx3 onwards, all their earlier stuff was borrowed and then copied tapes. JW isn’t an album, it’s hardly an essential part of their discography (imho) as all the singles are on the collection that I’d guess most people have. Think it’s perfectly understandable that this has slipped between the cracks!

Sadly, the Lovecats was such a monster radio hit through the 80s, despite all the vastly superior stuff that came later, I fear that’ll be the one picked. Let’s hope it’s another 30+ years before that happens :grinning:.

I get that there are a lot of ‘youngsters’, but puzzled maybe by the lack of curiosity, or appreciation, of the so called b-sides. But I have a very skewed ‘completist’ outlook. I need to check if something by my favourite band is actually shit (or not) :roll_eyes:.

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Yeah it’s interesting how fandom works differently for different people… I can only speak for myself really but I’ve never been that into the really ‘pop’ phase and I’d rather not subject myself to things I know I’m not that into that either tarnish my view of a band I love or try to convince myself that stuff I’m no that into must be great just because it’s by a songwriter I love.

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After the preceding albums proper, for The Cure, or their label, to find a stop gap mini album to mark such a musical shift feels kind of fitting.

Japanese Whispers, in its less than 30 minute duration feels like Mesh by New Order in more ways than one. It’s essentially 3 singles and some b-sides grouped together, as such is doesn’t really gel as an album because that is not its purpose.

From the depths of Pornography to this airy Pop, is a huge transition and one they take initially in little steps but they arrive there safely that is for sure - and airy is the right word because you can feel life breathing in and out of these songs.

It kind of sounds like they are messing around. Those oh so 80’s synths. Let’s Go To Bed is as confident as it is ambitious, it is both fun and trying to play it straight, there’s a touch of Soft Cell going on here influence wise maybe? laughing at the Christmas lights.

The Walk was released a few months after Blue Monday and it has always felt like a direct lift to me. It is more fun than Blue Monday, but no way is it a better track.

The Joy Division / New Order feels just keep on coming and Lament has Atmosphere stamped (lightly) all over it, not a criticism and for a lesser know Cure song it’s really decent.

Which brings me to what Japanese Whispers accomplishes for me. The first 7 tracks, as varied as they are feel like The Cure are playing with you whilst asking themselves if they can expand into what is a mainstream 80’s Pop feel… and they can… and the song that proves this is The Lovecats. This was the first song I ever heard by The Cure and upon release, I knew not of their albums as a 13 year old, but I knew a unique Pop song when I heard one. It’s the perfect dream lyrically it is playful, sharp and just pulls you in - this cuddly Pop band you sense have that dark edge to them, and liked caged tigers - they sure did… and this is the perfect starting point and for me one of their best ever tracks.

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Is the lovecats bvid the first time we get the proper final Robert Smith image?

I’m a little behind here after moving the previous weekend and being busy with work last week. But the good news is I did revisit Pornography and Japanese Whispers since discussing Faith, just haven’t had time to share my thoughts. And unfortunately don’t have time to read all of the responses since.

Pornography is one I’ve always liked, seeing as how the Seventeen Seconds/Faith/Pornography trilogy is my favorite era of The Cure. However, I always thought it felt colder than the two albums before it in some way. The production? The mix? I don’t quite know. And when I first put this on with “One Hundred Years” (taking the dog on a walk in the wooded park), those feelings were reinforced. The bass that was so prominent and added warmth to Seventeen Seconds and Faith seems missing. The drums are high in the mix. It sounds cold to me and more “80s” in its production style. However, as soon as that track ended and the next began, the warmth of bass started to creep back in, and stayed the duration of the album. Somehow I’d always let the sound of the first track paint the sound of the entire album. Glad to have listened in this way and come to appreciate it more. I always would have rated it 4/5, but now it’s more like 9/10 even if I still prefer the prior two albums for their restraint.

Japanese Whispers is a great collection of tracks from a very important transitional period, as mentioned by others, so I’m glad we’re covering it. I was familiar with some singles prior to actually listening to this, probably from Staring at the Sea and Mixed Up. “Let’s Go to Bed” and “The Walk” are 5/5 tracks (and some of my favorites from The Cure), and “The Love Cats” probably 4/5 simply because it’s maybe a little over the top poppy to me but still a great track. The rest of the tracks are good, just don’t stand up as much so I can’t really comment on them unless I was listening at the moment. I’ll just call out “Speak My Language” as the obvious weak spot, to me. Could have been left off. Ultimately I think The Walk EP works better for me with a more consistent, solid feel, as it doesn’t include that track or “The Love Cats”. Makes sense as that was a more intentional release and not a compilation. Either way, some really solid work around this time sending the band in a different direction.

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Yeah the production on the opening track is… not good

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Think this works quite well as collection and obviously the singles are all pretty iconic.

Must have been pretty mad when they followed Pornography with this, but then they did have that pop grounding originally I suppose

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I would have been furious with this on the back of Pornography, but I used to be a lot more uptight about these things. :smiley:

As it is, I’m really not enjoying this album. It has the 3 songs I skip on Staring at the Sea and all the other songs feel weak. Even La Ment, a song lauded as on of the Cure’s best, songs like Pornography cast off. Is the mix of LGTB much better on JW? It seems to be.
I’m surprised at the response to Lovecats. I don’t hate it as much as I used to but it and Friday were the reason that I thought the Cure were some bullshit pop band for a very long time.
I think I might be in the rough with the Cure for the next few weeks.

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Let’s vote songs.

Japanese Whispers
  • Let’s Go to Bed
  • The Dream
  • Just One Kiss
  • The Upstairs Room
  • The Walk
  • Speak My Language
  • La Ment
  • The Lovecats

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Another surprise! The Figurehead was stitched up folks…

Playlist updated.

Finally, the listening club got it right!

Listened to this today, though annoyingly my music player just skipped the Walk for some reason.

Echoing a couple of comments already made:

  1. Speak My Language is easily the weakest. I am far from a Lovecats-hater (in fact, it was the first song I heard of theirs), but I do think that it and SML are the odd ones out here. All the others form a pretty decent collection.

  2. whoever commented about Just One Kiss recalling Pornography is spot on. Hadn’t considered it before, but it now makes me wonder what Pornography would’ve been like if it’d had the same kind of production. At any rate, it possibly explains why I feel it’s the strongest track on the album.

  3. I enjoyed The Dream more than I was expecting. Can’t say I ever really thought of it as one of the better songs on the album, but it makes top 3.

  4. I wonder why Mr Pink Eyes was left out of this compilation. It doesn’t fit, sure, but see point 1 above.

:astonished:

(although I do hate Lovecats)

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I’m a big pop Cure fan but I think it’s great how they have all these facets and still stay themselves. Top week will probably be tough but then we’re onto Head on the Door, that should be taken a bit more warmly? The Top seems to set the template for the next couple of Cure albums where they put all sorts of different things on the same album rather than focusing on a single mood, I’ve not listened to it in a long time, I think I like it though.

I really like this song from The Banshees at this time, pretty sure Robert had a hefty hand in writing the music, that piano bears some resemblance to the one in Six Different Ways

Not sure if it’s just because of his influence as I really don’t know quite how involved he was in most of it but I like Hyaena best out of the Banshee albums I’ve heard, Dazzle is a stunner

I guess Pink Eyes should have been on Japanese Whispers for completeness sake alone but I think it’s noticeably weaker to everything else in this era, I quite like how Whispers hangs together as a collection.

Still not made my mind up on what songs to pick.

I’ve been listening to this in chronological order because, well, why not?

Let’s Go To Bed 7"
Let’s Go To Bed - “Do do do doo, do do do doo”, what a great vocal riff! Just a classic pop song. After 35 years of listening to this track I still get a tingle when the pace picks up, the guitar kicks in, and Smith starts singing “But I don’t care if you don’t…”. I was amazed to read this week that they had to re-record the track for Mixed Up because they lost the original master tapes.
Just One Kiss - I really like this song, but find it a little underbaked.

The Walk EP:
Upstairs Room - There’s a guitar riff sounds straight out of 3IB. I like it.
The Dream - yuck, I hate the synth parts on this. Terrible.
The Walk - one of the best singles by anyone ever. The synth riff is as good as anything by other classic 80s pop groups - Yazoo, Human League etc.
La Ment - I love this song. Maybe The Cure’s best b-side? I think there’s a lot of the feel of the Disintegration album about this track - the reverb on the lyrics, the guitar picking, the drums. It’s just gorgeous.

Lovecats 12":
The Lovecats: Another classic single. I really like it.
Speak My Language - pretty rubbish
Mr Pink Eyes - really rubbish and didn’t even make Japanese Whispers despite the album being only 8 tracks and less than half-an-hour long. And for good reason, it was probably just a drunken jam to make the 12". The one redeeming feature is I like Smith’s more punky vocals, similar to 3IB.

The one criticism I would have on this period is that they miss a good bass player. I assume Smith plays bass on all tracks (or Lol?) and he’s not bad, but it’s much lower in the mix than we’ve been used to on previous albums where bass was such a critical part of the music. I wish Gallup was still in the band.

If you want to talk trilogies, you could put this album in a power-pop trilogy with The Top and HOTD, before they get more prog with Kiss Me, and in that context this album holds up really well. Spoiler: it’s much better than The Top

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