Yeah fair point, think I threw in āegoā based on some posts ahead of mine. I do agree with your feelings on some modern artists not being judged the same way.
Still think itās overlong and a bit bombastic for my liking, but part of itās that certain songs I donāt like have been played to death. Anyway.
Canāt believe you would do this to me.
How was this not even a B-Side? What an era of music.
Went through MC&TIS over yesterday and this morning. I was definitely influenced in my original dislike by Messrs. Malkmus and Albini and to a certain extent that was probably unfair.
The issue I have (aside from the very obvious āthis is too longā one) is that Corgan overreaches a bit too much for this to be very good. The singles are all pretty good (ā1979ā is a rip-off of āWhatās Going On?ā by Husker Du but imho might be better) and the better songs tend toward the slower - āTo Forgiveā, āIn the Arms of Sleepā (bit Nick Cave)
Too many of the rock songs have a pretty out-of-the-box compressed mainstream alt rock combo sound and plod around with a basic idea, however much Corgan is offering something idiosyncratic with his voice. Iām generally ok with unusual singers, so he bothers me far less than he used to. Plus the guy bought the NWA (wrestling, not rap group). Big for me.
Never quite got the whole āthese guys are incredible musicians!ā deal. Chamberlain can drum a bit but feel like heās not even a top 20 90s rock drummer. Thatās fine, virtuosity is overrated, Flipper are better than Dream Theater. Just saying though.
Itās just that - teenage-y imagery is always best if the music is a bit dumb at heart; their insistence that this is a musical statement falls short and exposes certain lines and ideas in a pretty ugly fashion. I respect the bravery but this feels like a 5.5 or maybe a 6 if I can listen to it as two separate records many days apart.
Fuck it, Iām listening to this trash. I can see from last.fm that I last listened to it in October 2022. Has my opinion changed? Is it better than Dusty In Memphis?
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Hell, no
I always assumed Dusty In Memphis was closer to the 1965 Ready Steady Go special she helped put together that brought the Motown acts to telly for the first time, instead of fully four years later seemingly because she didnāt think she could match up to those heroes. At this stage itās almost beyond review, just superior classic soul and what a legion of white female singers over the last 20-30 years have been trying to replicate. Almost completely flopped on release and damaged her career until mid-70s rediscovery, yāknow.
End of Disc One and Iām struggling. Feels like it runs out of puff midway through āAn Ode To No-Oneā. āLoveā is awful, āCupid De Lockeā has nothing to it and āPorcelinaā is not the epic I thought it was when I was fifteen.
Going to take a break and go on to Disc Two later.
EDIT: Oh, āMuzzleā was good though!
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Disc Two was quite bad. Burst out laughing at " And in the eyes of the jackal I say ka-boom!" in the middle of what was a fairly decent song. Canāt believe this album takes two hours to say and do so little.
āWhere Boys Fear To Treadā is a Melvins riff done badly. The run from āStumbelineā onwards is flat out bad. āWe Only Come Out At Nightā could have been a āCripple Creek Ferryā length curio but no, Billy has to make it a full song.
Thereās some great stuff on here but it could be forty-five minutes and you wouldnāt miss anything. 5/10.
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That alternate ending is such a treat. What a band.
Sorry for your thread loss @colon_closed_bracket
Might get the moderators to split it into a new thread 
God, they were a terrifying machine on that tour, both with Jimmy and Matt. Forever kicking myself for not going.
Doing Tool before Tool became Tool
Probably the peak of live music for me
If there were some oddly obsessive Tupac / John Lennon / Alice Coltrane fans, this thread might have had a bit more traction. As it is, I think Iāve lost it
And to think this was from an era where beautiful songs like this were on the album and hanging around as B-Sides
Just the greatest album / era ever.
Iāll get 1000 words on The Stranger by Billy Joel ready.
*1000 posts
Each more adult contemporary than the last
Think most oddly obsessive John Lennon fans are a bit banged up tbh
went for walk and listened to Springfield in Tennessee, hard to find fault really! Put it alongside Bobbie Gentry and Margo Guryan in records I will play on a Sunday morning whilst looking out of the window wistfully.